Re: [gembud] GEMPAK and AWIPS II Questions

  • Subject: Re: [gembud] GEMPAK and AWIPS II Questions
  • From: Nathan Parker <nparker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:16:06 -0500
Thanks for the information! I'll probably go Scientific Linux as well. Any specific version I should shoot for or is any of them good?

I could probably get by on wgeting the data or running a little LDM. Does anyone have the instructions for it? I can roll GEMPAK as an installation OK, but I've never been able to figure out how to get data going.

Side question, instead of VNC, could I SSH into the machine from another Linux machine and run the scripts that way? That may allow me to run the actual graphical stuff on my big machine, but serving right off the other machine. I could SSH it remotely as well if need be.

Thanks!

Nathan Parker

Backyard Community Administrator/Backyard Stations Support

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On 7/29/13 7:39 AM, Robert Mullenax wrote:
RE: [gembud] GEMPAK and AWIPS II Questions

Thanks for setting me straight on the background of SELinux. Good to know.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerry Creager - NOAA Affiliate [mailto:gerry.creager@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sun 7/28/2013 11:26 PM
To: Robert Mullenax
Cc: nparker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; gembud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; support-gempak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gembud] GEMPAK and AWIPS II Questions

I use Scientific Linux these days. The differences between Scientific and
CentOS are trivial for these purposes. CentOS went into near-melt-down when
RHEL 6 came out. Scientific, with "real" funding, didn't. And, for me,
there are some additional benefits to Scientific. However, the real
differences are not worth any more discussion, and either will work with
Gempak. Or AWIPS-II. Various Solaris variants will also work, as Robert can
attest.

VNC will work. Friends don't let friends, or enemies, install TeamViewer.
I've extensive recent experience trying to get a Gempak install up with TV
and if I NEVER see that software again, it'll be too soon. It's slow,
temperamental and not ready for prime time. It's Windows code forced to
work "with" linux. VNC, sure. TV? NEVER. Did I mention I really don't like
TeamViewer?

For AWIPS-II, plan on one mega-machine, or 2-3 smaller ones. I'm
experimenting with a VM installation, with 3 VMs, mimicking National
Centers installations, each with 16 GB RAM. And, this doesn't include CAVE.

Hope this helps some.
gerry


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Robert Mullenax <
Robert.Mullenax@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> **
>
> Nathan,
>
> 8G of RAM isn't much if you are going to be ingesting a lot of data with
> LDM and running GEMPAK decoders/scripts. If you are going to just wget or > cURL model data from NCEP and not run an LDM with a big queue then it would
> likely be OK.
>
> I'd go with CentOS myself. I am not a huge fan of Linux (I am a Solaris
> guy) but where I have to use Linux I use CentOS and I have been real happy > with it. Plus since it is Redhat based you will be good to go on AWIPS II
> which at this time will only run on CentOS/Redhat.
>
> I'd go with 32-bit as AWIPS II isn't 64-bit (unless something has changed
> recently).
>
> I am not familiar with TeamViewer but VNC works OK with GEMPAK assuming
> you on inhouse modern Gigabit network. However you are going to find that > doing big radar or satellite loops or displaying big gridded data sets is
> going to be pretty slow. Even on a box with a decent graphics card and
> local monitor Solaris and Linux can be slow if you are using the standard
> Xorg drivers instead of say the Nvidia commercial drivers.
>
> I don't think there is anyway AWIPS II will work well with 8GB of RAM..and
> Unidata lists 16GB as recommended. Remember it is Java based, so I think
> 16GB isn't going to be enough either (I know Unidata disagrees with the
> statement)..
>
> This mailing list (gembud) is very helpful to folks starting out with
> GEMPAK so I am sure you can get tons of help.
>
> Hope this was of some help. The vast majority of folks on this list are
> Linux devotees so they can help you out more there..
>
> Robert Mullenax
> CSBF Meteorology
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gembud-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Nathan Parker
> Sent: Sat 7/27/2013 7:43 PM
> To: gembud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; support-gempak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gembud] GEMPAK and AWIPS II Questions
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm wanting to roll another GEMPAK installation, as well as possibly
> install AWIPS II once available. I have a few questions though before I
> get started.
>
> I have an extra low power quad core machine outfitted with 8GB of RAM
> lying around (I'd just need to pop in a hard drive and boot up).
>
> 1. What would be the ideal version of Linux to throw on it? CentOS or
> Scientific Linux? Which version number should I shoot for, and should I
> go x86 or x64? It is a x64 capable processor.
>
> 2. I don't have a great monitor for this machine for Analysis purposes
> (just a VGA cheapy from Walmart, my big $1k LED monitor isn't compatible
> with the machine). After the initial installation, can I run the machine
> headless and VNC to it over the network? Could I also install TeamViewer
> on it and remote into it as well?
>
> 3. Could someone here assist me in getting data to work in GEMPAK so I
> can get the most out of using it?
>
> 4. Once AWIPS II comes out, could I upgrade to AWIPS II in place OK over
> 8GB of RAM or do I need 16 on the data server? I have another machine
> running Ubuntu (with 16GB of RAM on it), and if I could install the
> client there and connect to the AWIPS II server running 8GB, I'd be OK.
>
> Thanks!
> --
>
> Nathan Parker
>
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>
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