Re: [ldm-users] FW: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid

  • To: "Gensini, Vittorio" <gensiniv@xxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [ldm-users] FW: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid
  • From: Ryan Hickman <ryan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 17:09:19 -0600
>
> 20160825T225946.888925Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5()
>     56508 20160825225944.465083 NGRID 20526853  LUDZ86 KWBG 252200
> !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F017/UREL/30-0 hPa PDLY
> 20160825T225946.928740Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5()
>     48876 20160825225944.470465 NGRID 20526854  LRDZ86 KWBG 252200
> !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F017/RELH/180-150 hPa PDLY
> 20160825T225946.929497Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5()
>     35365 20160825225945.271612 NGRID 20526864  LVDZ12 KWBG 252200
> !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F015/VREL/125 hPa PRES
> 20160825T225949.698165Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5()
>     29946 20160825225949.697962 HDS 81317554  LZDZ86 KWBG 252200
> !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F019/HLCY/3000-0 m HGHT
> 20160825T225950.137091Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5()
>     44438 20160825225950.136893 HDS 81317765  LYDZ86 KWBG 252200
> !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F019/CIN/255-0 hPa PDLY
> 20160825T225950.147939Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5()
>     54336 20160825225950.147736 HDS 81317779  LWDZ86 KWBG 252200
> !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F019/CAPE/255-0 hPa PDLY
> 20160825T225950.332050Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5()
>     63261 20160825225950.331796 HDS 81317780  LZDZ86 KWBG 252200
> !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F019/HLCY/1000-0 m HGHT
> 20160825T225959.727083Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5()
>     45128 20160825225959.726862 NGRID 20527040  LHDZ45 KWBG 252200
> !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F016/HGHT/450 hPa PRES
> 20160825T230004.601507Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5()
>     56860 20160825230004.601274 NGRID 20527137  LHDN93 KWBG 252200
> !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F018/HGHT/975 hPa PRES
> 20160825T230004.787309Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5()
>     63141 20160825230004.787128 HDS 81318525  LZDZ86 KWBG 252200
> !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F020/HLCY/1000-0 m HGHT
> 20160825T230005.009994Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5()
>     46513 20160825230005.009756 HDS 81318612  LYDZ86 KWBG 252200
> !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F020/CIN/255-0 hPa PDLY
> 20160825T230005.015628Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5()
>     29528 20160825230005.015419 HDS 81318618  LZDZ86 KWBG 252200
> !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F020/HLCY/3000-0 m HGHT
> 20160825T230005.031800Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5()
>     55522 20160825230005.031612 HDS 81318640  LWDZ86 KWBG 252200
> !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F020/CAPE/255-0 hPa PDLY
> 20160825T230005.081077Z notifyme[15273] INFO notifyme.c:222:notifymeprog_5()
>     44954 20160825230005.080847 NGRID 20527165  LHDN99 KWBG 252200
> !grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/201608252200F018/HGHT/1000 hPa PRES


If you run `notifyme` without the -f flag, I think you'll find what you're
looking for. It appears they're now sending those products out via HDS
instead of NGRID which causes all of our request/pqact entries to fail only
on those products.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Please see this e-mail chain below.  Basically, there are grids now
> missing from the RAP130 NGRID NOAAport feed (post Tuesday's switch).  They
> are the same grids missing that were changed in the TIN message. Hopefully
> there is someone on this list that can solve the problem.
>
> Best,
>
> vg
> __________________________
> Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor, Meteorology
> College of DuPage
> e: gensiniv@xxxxxxx | p: (630)-942-3496
> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini
>
>
> From: Carissa Klemmer - NOAA Federal <carissa.l.klemmer@xxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:41 PM
> To: Victor Gensini <gensiniv@xxxxxxx>
> Cc: Geoffrey Manikin - NOAA Federal <geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx>, "
> curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx" <curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx>, Corey Guastini -
> NOAA Affiliate <corey.guastini@xxxxxxxx>, "ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx"
> <ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid
>
> Sorry I didn't email yesterday. I called the NCF and asked their tech team
> to check the logs and ensure these new WMO headers were being up linked to
> noaaport. I got confirmation that they see the 86 headers and were sent to
> noaaport. I'm a little stuck now. At this point I would probably suggest
> going to unidata ldm forum and ask if anyone else is seeing them. Get some
> smart ldm people involved. Do you have a POC for them?
>
> Carissa
>
> Touched, not typed
>
> On Aug 25, 2016, at 14:08, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> ​Hi Geoff,
>
>
> Any update on the cause of this?
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> __
> Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini
> Associate Professor
> Meteorology
> College of DuPage
> President, Chicago Chapter of the American Meteorological Society
> 425 Fawell Blvd.
> Glen Ellyn, IL 60137
> Office: Berg Instructional Center (BIC) 3503
> ph: +1 (630) 942-3496
> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Geoffrey Manikin - NOAA Federal <geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:41 PM
> *To:* Gensini, Vittorio
> *Cc:* curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx; carissa.l.klemmer@xxxxxxxx; Corey
> Guastini - NOAA Affiliate
> *Subject:* Re: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid
>
>
>     Carissa-
>
>        The 4 files missing in the 13 km RAP AWIPS files are the 4 that we
> mentioned in the RAP13 AWIPS TIN for which the headers were changing.
>
>        We're correctly processing all of them, so does this mean that some
> group downstream was not prepared for this change??
>
>                   -Geoff
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Geoff,
>>
>>
>> Found them, I was wrong about CIN.  All four are the changes mentioned in
>> the TIN message. I ran a quick DIF checker and found removal of:
>>
>>
>> CIN255-0 mb above ground
>>
>> CAPE255-0 mb above ground
>>
>> HLCY1000-0 m above ground
>>
>> HLCY3000-0 m above ground​
>>
>>
>> Probably the ones you were expecting.  Let us know if/when they are added
>> back to the NOAAport stream.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> __
>> Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini
>> Associate Professor
>> Meteorology
>> College of DuPage
>> President, Chicago Chapter of the American Meteorological Society
>> 425 Fawell Blvd.
>> Glen Ellyn, IL 60137
>> Office: Berg Instructional Center (BIC) 3503
>> ph: +1 (630) 942-3496
>> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Geoffrey Manikin - NOAA Federal <geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:12 PM
>> *To:* Gensini, Vittorio
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid
>>
>>
>>      Victor-
>>
>>         Knowing the exact dropouts would probably be a good thing.
>> Thanks for offering.
>>
>>                     -Geoff
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for your speedy response Geoff!
>>>
>>>
>>> I can confirm that the changed entries in your document:
>>>
>>>
>>> "The headers for helicity are changed from ‘LZD*98 KWBG’ to ‘LZD*86
>>> KWBG’ The headers for 0­255 mb cape is changed from ‘LWD*98 KWBG’ to
>>> ‘LZD*86 KWBG’"
>>>
>>>
>>> Are not coming in after using LDM 'notifyme.'  Strangely, 0-255mb CIN is
>>> working just fine.
>>>
>>>
>>> I can compare pre and post upgrade to get you the exact dropouts if
>>> needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> __
>>> Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini
>>> Associate Professor
>>> Meteorology
>>> College of DuPage
>>> President, Chicago Chapter of the American Meteorological Society
>>> 425 Fawell Blvd.
>>> Glen Ellyn, IL 60137
>>> Office: Berg Instructional Center (BIC) 3503
>>> ph: +1 (630) 942-3496
>>> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Geoffrey Manikin - NOAA Federal <geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:01 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* Gensini, Vittorio
>>> *Cc:* curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx; ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx; Corey
>>> Guastini - NOAA Affiliate
>>> *Subject:* Re: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid
>>>
>>>
>>>    hi Victor-
>>>
>>>           The issues must be downstream of us, as the RAP 130 grids that
>>> we're sending to NOAAPORT have 292 records now, and the cycles before the
>>> upgrade had 292 as well.
>>>
>>>           Per that document, we changed the headers for 4 parameters, so
>>> it sounds like those 4 are falling on the floor somewhere down the line .
>>>  I can't yet account for the other two.
>>>
>>>              -Geoff
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Geoff,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We were matching the grids with anything from (L.D...), as you say in
>>>> your document here:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/changes/docs/AWIPS_RAPv3_130.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have also used:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NGRID   grib2/ncep/RUC2/#130/(..)(..)(....)(....)F(...)
>>>>         FILE    /home/data/models/rap/\2\3\4F\5.rap
>>>>
>>>> To match *anything* from the RAP NGRID feed.
>>>>
>>>> Running wgrib2 on the files since 12Z today shows that there were 292
>>>> grids before the upgrade and 286 after (we eliminate the aviation flight
>>>> level products).
>>>>
>>>> I haven't sorted through exactly which have been dropped, but at least
>>>> two of them are 0-1 and 0-3 SRH.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> __
>>>> Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini
>>>> Associate Professor
>>>> Meteorology
>>>> College of DuPage
>>>> President, Chicago Chapter of the American Meteorological Society
>>>> 425 Fawell Blvd.
>>>> Glen Ellyn, IL 60137
>>>> Office: Berg Instructional Center (BIC) 3503
>>>> ph: +1 (630) 942-3496
>>>> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Geoffrey Manikin - NOAA Federal <geoffrey.manikin@xxxxxxxx>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2016 2:25 PM
>>>> *To:* Gensini, Vittorio
>>>> *Cc:* curtis.alexander@xxxxxxxx; ncep.list.pmb-dataflow@xxxxxxxx;
>>>> Corey Guastini - NOAA Affiliate
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Grids missing from the RAP 130 grid
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   hi Victor-
>>>>
>>>>     In the document
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-k5tKCQjS7a55Y1IUHuQSpLX
>>>> XbIcvb1LZtEjdKmePsY/edit
>>>>
>>>>    please note section 5.   Helicity had been identified as a surface
>>>> field which really isn't right, so it was changed with this upgrade.   The
>>>> new headers should be easy to find.
>>>>
>>>>               -Geoff
>>>>
>>>>   p.s.  I shared the document with you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Gensini, Vittorio <gensiniv@xxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Geoff/Curtis/Carissa,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Beginning with today's 1200 UTC update for the RAP 130 grid, I no
>>>>> longer see HLCY 0-1000 m and HLCY 0-3000m being transmitted over the SBN
>>>>> NOAAport feed. I saw no changes with the HRRR grib2 files, but it was my
>>>>> impression from the para feeds that the 0-1 and 0-3 SRH fields would still
>>>>> be a part of the RAP post-processed fields from NCEP.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As you know, they are important variables for calculation and use in
>>>>> convective forecasting, and I hope they return soon!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> __
>>>>> Dr. Vittorio (Victor) A. Gensini
>>>>> Associate Professor
>>>>> Meteorology
>>>>> College of DuPage
>>>>> President, Chicago Chapter of the American Meteorological Society
>>>>> 425 Fawell Blvd.
>>>>> Glen Ellyn, IL 60137
>>>>> Office: Berg Instructional Center (BIC) 3503
>>>>> ph: +1 (630) 942-3496
>>>>> http://weather.cod.edu/~vgensini
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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