Hi Roland- On 5/7/12 8:42 AM, Roland Schweitzer wrote:
An obvious test case would be a copy of a file before the update happens and a copy of the same file just after the update happens. With those two files John's group could simulate the update easily. :-)
I can save those off for today. However, for these aggregations, even though we are in May, the last dates for 2012 that show up in the aggregations are from January and February - even with tomcat restarts. There is no rhyme nor reason that we can find on what dates show up for each aggregation.
I'll wait to hear from Unidata on what information they need or if they want to come visit. Thanks to the community for pushing for a resolution to this issue.
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Don Murray <don.murray@xxxxxxxx <mailto:don.murray@xxxxxxxx>> wrote: John- On 5/5/12 4:56 PM, John Caron wrote: We have someone working on trying to reproduce this problem. If we can reproduce it, we can fix it. Any help doing that would be appreciated. Since I'm the one who updates the dataset, here's what happens. The SST datasets consist of yearly files which we are trying to aggregate into one dataset. The latest file (or files depending if we are crossing a year boundary) is updated on a daily basis and the last 14 days of data are overwritten and a new timestep (day) is added. We do more than just add a timestep because the last 14 days of data are preliminary and subject to updates. The file(s) being updated are then synced out to the filesystem that TDS looks at. Hoop has said he would provide any catalog/configuration information you require. If it would speed up the process, perhaps someone from Unidata could drive across town and visit NOAA. Don On 5/4/2012 5:41 PM, Roy Mendelssohn wrote: Hi All: I have been corresponding with Hoop off list, because the datasets he is having problems serving are important to NOAA, and getting them served properly is important. His problem is: On 05/02/2012 04:28 PM, Hoop wrote: All, This is my latest in a now monthly series of requests for help with doing aggregations with our TDS. The problem I first reported back on 23 February, wherein aggregations don't notice time steps added to the final file in the time series, is unresolved.. Since I last wrote (4 April), we upgraded to 4.2.10. There was no effect that we could discern. Whether we use NcML or FeatureCollection, new time steps in the final file go unnoticed until Tomcat is restarted. Fabulously, if a new file is added without restarting Tomcat, the initial time steps in the new final file are added to the aggregation, leaving a gap where the time steps added to the previous "final" file since the last Tomcat restart should be. This leads to complaints of the aggregation not being CF-compliant, since it appears to have uneven spacing in time. Interestingly, doing the aggregation in RAMADDA works as we would expect, since it is frequently rebuilding the aggregation. So, while it is perhaps less efficient than TDS, at least it is reliable. -Hoop I just checked with my group, and we have several aggregated datasets that work this way. We have tons of datasets where each file is a new time period, and they get updated just fine. But the ones where we are aggregating over files with multiple time periods, and one of those files is being updated with new data, the aggregation only gets updated by restarting tomcat. This has not been a major issue because our datasets are updated monthly, so we do it once and all is good. But if we were updating regularly, this would be a major issue, as it appears to be for Hoop's group. Mainly I am writing for three reasons: 1. This problem is not isolated to Hoop's group or how they are setup. 2. If anyone has this kind of aggregation updating successfully, can they point to the URL, post the catalog.xml and threddsConfig.xml, and perhaps sample files so we can test it and see what is different. 3. If successful examples can't be found that we can build on, is there anyway this can elevated in importance at Unidata? I know there is a lot being worked on, and priorities need to be set, but if a solution can't be found given the present code base, it strikes me as a serious bug. 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