Re: [cf-satellite] related to scanning direction

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Hi.

From my experience, the algorithms used to determine the ray vector for each 
pixel is quite complicated and different for each satellite.  I doubt there is 
a useful way to encode the necessary information in a standard format.  In 
addition, for LEO satellites (non-geostationary), the TLE is not sufficient for 
the accuracy needed.  I know that is the case for the NPP VIIRS and CrIS 
instruments, and it's also true for the commercial imaging satellites.  You 
need a corrected time series of satellite position, velocity, and attitude 
covering the path over the time the image was acquired.  And you then need a 
significant amount of information about the sensor geometry and position on the 
satellite frame relative to the satellite center of motion.  You may want to 
store all of the needed information in the file, but you won't be using generic 
software to turn it into geolocations.  (Well, you might be able to, but that 
will require developing an abstract sensor model and a set of parameters to 
that model that are sufficient to handle any satellite.  This is akin to the 
issue with geographic coordinate systems.  There are so many different ways 
that these have been defined that there is no single model that fully handles 
every case.)

Grace and peace,

Jim

Jim Biard
Research Scholar
Cooperative Institute for Climate and Satellites
Remote Sensing and Applications Division
National Climatic Data Center
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On Aug 22, 2012, at 10:05 AM, David Santek wrote:

> Hello Ghansham,
> 
> Yes, from an Earth perspective (latitude,longitude) the scanning geometry is 
> complicated. But, from an orbit and scanning perspective, most polar 
> satellites behave about the same. 
> 
> Polar Orbits: They have high inclinations to cover the poles or low 
> inclination for the tropics.
> Scanning: cross track for most instruments; conical for microwave [to keep 
> incidence angle constant].
> 
> So, the CF specification will need to include orbit information [the Two Line 
> Elements (TLE) define this] and scanning information [incidence angle, sweep 
> angle, etc.] so that the latitude/longitude can be determined for each pixel.
> 
> Dave
> 
> On 8/22/12 8:52 AM, ghansham sangar wrote:
>> Hello Sir..
>> Hope you are doing fine. 
>> 
>> I understand you point of frame of reference. Even I was also confused when 
>> I saw that dataset for the first time. But later I realized in one of the 
>> conversation with
>> Tom Rink Sir, also, this is what came out (as told in earlier mail too):
>> The orbit has an inclination of as low as 20 deg (no coverage on poles).
>> The reason is to improve the temporal resolution over the tropics. 
>> And the sensor scans across track w.r.t to such low inclination track.
>> And that is why the data is packed also in that manner (up down).
>> The best thing I can do is post one snapshot generated  from toolsUI of one 
>> of the parameter displayed as image to have a better understanding of what 
>> exactly
>> the data looks like. I know its a pretty tough scanning geometry to 
>> understand.
>> 
>> regards
>> Ghansham
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Tom Whittaker <whittaker@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hello Ghansham...
>> 
>> I hope you are well.
>> 
>> I believe the "scan direction" (either "up/down" or "left/right") is a
>> matter of perspective -- if the frame of reference is on the
>> satellite, looking "forward" along the flight path, then I would be
>> more inclined to say "left/right", as "up/down" would refer to some
>> vertical scanning -- from my frame of reference on the satellite.
>> 
>> Regarding CF Conventions.  There are no conventions for dealing with
>> this.  There have been discussions in the past dealing with "swath
>> data", and you might have a Google of that (plus 'netcdf') and see
>> what others have been thinking about.
>> 
>> There is also at least one reference to some data already being
>> written to hdf files, which might prove of interest.  The sad fact is
>> that the satellite community for the longest time did not embrace
>> NetCDF, and so we must play "catch-up" with the people who have
>> defined conventions for model/gridded data and in-situ data.
>> 
>> My take is that some common characteristics (like 'band' and
>> 'central_wavelength' (or _wavenumber) should be defined using
>> conventions and "standard_names", but that characteristics of
>> particular platforms must, by necessity, be defined for those
>> platforms.  I also think that the use of the "standard_names" will go
>> a long way toward helping application developers in writing file
>> readers that can understand some of the basic structures of the data,
>> while at the same time providing end users an opportunity to write
>> specialized interfaces that meet their particular research or
>> operational needs.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> tom
>> 
> 
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