Thanks for asking about that Pete.
They way it was dropped without warning and never sent a response on it,
was disconcerting.
Granted the NWS does not use these 0.5 degree products. (They have access
to higher resolution encrypted ECMWF data), but many in the
private/education sector did.
Since FOS was terminated, NOAAPORT is the primary, most reliable, means to
receive data for many from NOAA. Better communications would help in the
future.
-Mike
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 3:55 PM, Pete Pokrandt <poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> All,
>
>
> Quick update on this. I ran into Becky Cosgrove at AMS this week, and she
> said that the 0.5 deg replacement ECMWF data will NOT be going out over
> NOAAPORT, primarily because of bandwidth constraints.
>
>
> However, I asked what about putting the merger of WMO Essential and WMO
> Additional products (basically same fields/levels we used to get) out on
> the CONDUIT data stream, and she was willing to look into that. Sounded
> like it could happen.
>
>
> As of about 5 minutes ago, I have an email in to her reminding her of our
> conversation. I'll keep you posted if I hear anything more.
>
>
> Pete
>
>
>
>
> <http://www.weather.com/tv/shows/wx-geeks/video/the-incredible-shrinking-cold-pool>
> --
> Pete Pokrandt - Systems Programmer
> UW-Madison Dept of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences
> 608-262-3086 <(608)%20262-3086> - poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Gilbert Sebenste <gilbert@xxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2017 3:26 PM
> *To:* Pete Pokrandt; Michael Dross
> *Cc:* Hughes, Brian; ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: [ldm-users] No European model data as of 12/1?
>
>
> Pete,
>
>
>
> Yes, we are a member of the WMO. However, we aren’t members of ECMWF.
>
>
>
> The real issue is this: NOAAport had several ECMWF products that are
> “additional” by the NWS at 2.5 degree resolution, that have now been
> discontinued as of December 1. These were the products that were beyond WMO
> Resolution 40. The NWS can get at these parameters; it’s a matter of if the
> NWS wants to send it out at the .5 degree resolution.
>
>
>
> Either way: I do hope we see these data again on NOAAport at 0.5 degrees
> resolution. Whatever you think of the ECWMF model versus any other, it’s
> darn good, and I will miss it being on there.
>
>
>
> Gilbert
>
>
>
> *Gilbert Sebenste*
>
> Staff Meteorologist
>
>
>
> Environmental Health and Safety
>
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>
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>
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>
> http://weather.admin.niu.edu
>
> Everyone. Home. Safely.
>
>
>
> [image: NIU]
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ldm-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ldm-users-bounces@
> unidata.ucar.edu] *On Behalf Of *Pete Pokrandt
> *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 3:06 PM
> *To:* Michael Dross <mdross@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Cc:* Hughes, Brian <Brian.Hughes@xxxxxxxxxx>; ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: [ldm-users] No European model data as of 12/1?
>
>
>
> The other levels (700, 200, etc.) are "available to WMO members" with some
> restrictions, no commercial use, etc.. but to get a password for their ftp
> server, one needs to "contact our Permanent WMO rep and ask them to send an
> email to the ECMWF director."
>
>
>
> That sounds like above my pay grade, and probably what NWS (or Unidata)
> should be investigating if we want to see this data on NOAAPORT or
> CONDUIT(I do!)
>
>
>
> <Stupid question> The US is still a WMO member, correct? </Stupid question>
>
>
>
> Pete
>
>
>
> --
> Pete Pokrandt - Systems Programmer
> UW-Madison Dept of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences
> 608-262-3086 <(608)%20262-3086> - poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Michael Dross <mdross@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2017 2:54 PM
> *To:* Pete Pokrandt
> *Cc:* Gilbert Sebenste; Hughes, Brian; ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: [ldm-users] No European model data as of 12/1?
>
>
>
> As you mentioned, quite a few standard parameters missing, 700, 200 level,
> RH, etc.
>
>
>
> I sure hope NWS can restore at least what was on the SBN.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Pete Pokrandt <poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> es and em are ensemble mean and std deviation. Should have guessed that.
> ws is wind speed. Products do go out to 10 days too, compared to 7 days
> previously.
>
>
>
> Pete
>
>
>
> --
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> UW-Madison Dept of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences
> 608-262-3086 <(608)%20262-3086> - poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* ldm-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <ldm-users-bounces@unidata.
> ucar.edu> on behalf of Pete Pokrandt <poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2017 12:31 PM
> *To:* Gilbert Sebenste; Hughes, Brian
> *Cc:* ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: [ldm-users] No European model data as of 12/1?
>
>
>
> So, looking at that public ftp directory, it looks like they are no longer
> distributing any 700 hPa or 200 hPa products. There appears to be only
> MSLP, 500 hPa Heights, and 850 hPa Temp, U, V, along with some hurricane
> track products and some other things (es_msl, and em_msl, and em_ws for
> example) that I'm not sure what they are yet.
>
>
>
> The 0.5 deg is nice, the lack of anything above 500 hPa is a bummer.
>
>
>
> Pete
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Pete Pokrandt - Systems Programmer
> UW-Madison Dept of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* ldm-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <ldm-users-bounces@unidata.
> ucar.edu> on behalf of Gilbert Sebenste <gilbert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2017 12:23 PM
> *To:* Hughes, Brian
> *Cc:* ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: [ldm-users] No European model data as of 12/1?
>
>
>
> Lovely. Thanks, Brian. Anyone: did I miss a Service Change Notice?
>
> Gilbert
>
> > On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Hughes, Brian <Brian.Hughes@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Gilbert,
> >
> > We have reached out to NWS regarding this. It appears ECMWF stopped
> > transmitting the 2.5deg in favor of the 0.5 deg which is not currently on
> > NOAAPort.
> >
> > -Brian
> >
> > --
> > Duncan Jeffery (UKMET) wrote
> >
> > Dear colleagues
> > As of 0000UTC on the 1st December ECMWF retired their GRIB
> > edition-1 low resolution products.This change had been notified
> > to the WMO secretariat, and appeared in the WWW Operational
> > Newsletter on 12th October. The original message from ECMWF
> > read:
> >
> > ECMWF will stop the production and transmission of GRIB edition-1
> > products at 2.5x2.5 degrees on the 1st December 2017.
> >
> > Detailed information about these products, including the TTAAii headers,
> > can be found at:
> >
> > (https://www.ecmwf.int/en/forecasts/datasets/public-wmo-
> acmad/gts-headers-gl
> > obal-distribution)
> >
> > These deprecated products have been replaced with higher resolution
> > products in GRIB edition-2, which have been available on the WIS
> > (including GTS) for many years. For further details see:
> > (https://www.ecmwf.int/en/forecasts/datasets/public-wmo-
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> >
> > The attached file lists GRIB data that is still available from ECMWF.
> > If you wish to receive these bulletins please contact me.
> >
> > duncan.jeffery@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Best regards
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> > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:35:50 +0000
> > From: Gilbert Sebenste <gilbert@xxxxxxx>
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> > Hello everyone,
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> > Over on the HRS feed, I received a limited set of European model data via
> > NOAAport:
> >
> > -rw-r-r-- 1 ldm blahblah 2227608 Nov 30 12:57 12113017.gbe
> >
> > Since the 12Z 11/30/17 run, I've received nothing. Has the NWS
> discontinued
> > broadcasting this data over NOAAport? I didn't see any announcements
> about
> > it.
> >
> > Gilbert
> >
> > Gilbert Sebenste
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