Thanks so much, Stonie!
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Subject: [BULK] Re: [ldm-users] [External] Re: The S[AP]US99 update for METARs
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Thanks, Stonie, much appreciated!
Pete
Pete Pokrandt - System Engineer IV
UW-Madison Dept of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences
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Subject: Re: [ldm-users] [External] Re: The S[AP]US99 update for METARs just
happened
Using Pete's example as the template:
DDS|IDS ^S[AP].* .... ([0-3][0-9])([0-2][0-9])
FILE /usr/local/ldm/data/weather/(\1:yy)(\1:mm)\1\2.METAR
Which works for everything but the new messages, for the new 99 headed data,
*an* option:
DDS|IDS ^S[AP]US99 .... ([0-3][0-9])([0-2][0-9])([0-5][0-9])
PIPE /usr/local/ldm/util/saus99_binning.sh /usr/local/ldm/data/weather/
(\1:yy)(\1:mm)\1\2.METAR \3
Where /usr/local/ldm/util/saus99_binning.sh *could* be something like:
--- cut here ---
#!/bin/bash
#assessing the next hour based upon 10 minute look forward as described by NOAA
datahome="${1}"
datafile="${2}"
minutes="${3}"
mkdir -p ${datahome}
dateonly=`echo "${datafile}" | grep -E -o "[0-9]*"`
echo "${#dateonly}"
if [ "${#dateonly}" -eq "8" ]; then
outputdate=`date -d "20${datafile:0:6} ${datafile:6:2}:${minutes}:00 Z
+10minutes" -u "+%y%m%d%H"`
else
outputdate=`date -d "${datafile:0:8} ${datafile:8:2}:${minutes}:00 Z
+10minutes" -u "+%Y%m%d%H"`
fi
outputfile=`echo "${datafile}" | sed -e "s|${dateonly}|${outputdate}|g"`
cat >> ${datahome}/${outputfile}
--- cut here ---
If you do this, you will want to edit your original pattern to exclude the
S[AP]US99 . . . for everything else.
Or you can pipe everything through the script.
-
Stonie Cooper, PhD
Software Engineer III
NSF Unidata
cooper@xxxxxxxx<mailto:cooper@xxxxxxxx>
On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 11:07 AM Mike Zuranski
<zuranski.wx@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:zuranski.wx@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Morning all,
I received a response to my inquiry:
First thank you for reaching out to us on this matter. This was an
unintentional change but I can describe how it happened. The SAUS70 & SAUS80
METAR collectives that were previously disseminated over the SBN/NOAAPort prior
to this change would get disseminated every 10 minutes, including the latest
observations in that period. For example, many observations are time stamped at
55 after the hour, which are then included in the top of the hour SAUS70 METAR
collective. However, SAUS99 METAR collectives are issued upwards of several
times a minute containing the latest observation. We get a big benefit here in
more timely observational data. In addition to the improved timeliness, SAUS70
& SAUS80 require manual intervention to add sites whereas sites automatically
are added to SAUS99. Given these two benefits, we hope the end-users
applications are able to be updated to work with SAUS99.
Feel free to let us know if you have any additional questions or concerns!
So there it is, this is the new norm and expected behavior moving forward.
If this is negatively impactful to community members enough, my personal
opinion is this might be addressed the easiest if Unidata could offer a decoder
of sorts to adapt to this new norm. I can't say how widespread any impacts
are, all I've heard is what's been said here. And of course I'm sure Unidata
staff are hard at work as always and it's not my place to suggest how their
energies should be spent. But that's where my head is heading.
Best,
-Mike
On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 2:47 PM Sebenste, Gilbert
<sebensteg@xxxxxxx<mailto:sebensteg@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
This is what I see with the raw NADIN/WMSCR feed, which I’ve had access to.
These are indeed the RAW METARs sent without any processing from the NWS, which
slowed things down and had duplicate observations. The upsides are that new
METARs show up immediately, and assuming the feed to the NWS is timely, you’ll
get them 1-10 minutes faster than before.
Gilbert Sebenste
Meteorology Support Analyst
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All,
I just noticed a curiosity about the new SAUS99 METAR format that I'm not
immediately sure how to deal with. I am getting the SAUS99 and SPUS99 reports,
but the time on the WMO header is different, and that's messing up my data
filing in the LDM.
To save data for the old Pete Neilley weather program (yes, I do still use
that..) I use the following
DDS|IDS ^S[AP].* .... ([0-3][0-9])([0-2][0-9]) FILE
/usr/local/ldm/data/weather/(\1:yy)(\1:mm)\1\2.METAR
Note that it is using the DDMM in the WMO product header (the
([0-3][0-9])([0-2][0-9]) part ) to determine the day/hour of the file to put it
in.
As we all know, the METAR times are a bit before the actual hour they are valid
for (e.g. the METAR with a time of 1253 is actually the 13 UTC ob, and should
be put in the 13 UTC file.
With the old format (SAUS70/80/90) the time on the WMO header actually was the
correct time (1300) for the 1253 ob.
SAUS80 KWBC 271300 RRB^M^M
METAR^M^M
KMSN 271253Z 23007KT 200V270 10SM FEW180 FEW250 M07/M14 A2991 RMK^M^M
AO2 SLP141 T10721144 $=^M^M
However, with the new format (SAUS99) the time on the WMO is generally earlier,
so in the example here, the 1753 Ob (which should be in the 18 UTC file) ends
up in the 17 UTC file.
SAUS99 KWBC 271756 RRH^M^M
METAR^M^M
KMSN 271753Z 25011G23KT 10SM BKN160 BKN250 04/M12 A2973 RMK AO2^M^M
SLP077 T00391122 10044 21072 58033=^M^M
I think I found a workaround for my purposes, but wanted to put it out there in
case it's affecting anyone else..
Pete
Pete Pokrandt - System Engineer IV
UW-Madison Dept of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences
608-262-3086 - poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [ldm-users] The S[AP]US99 update for METARs just happened
Howdy,
A reminder that this change just happened.
The NWS National Centers for Environmental Prediction (NCEP) Central
Operations (NCO) creates routine collectives of observational METAR data
in SAUS70 KWBC, SAUS80 KWBC, SAUS90 KWBC and their counterparts for
Special observations SPUS70, SPUS80 and SPUS90. These collectives
require manual intervention to add METAR stations to them. These are
then distributed over the SBN. Another product, SAUS99 KWBC, and the
Special observation counterpart SPUS99 KWBC contain any METAR observation
received every minute. Delivering SAUS99 and SPUS99 over the SBN rather
than the aforementioned collectives will provide more observational data
and more timely data to users of the SBN.
The replacement with SAUS99 and SPUS99 is expected to occur on or about
1200 Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), January 27, 2025. If a Critical
Weather Day has been issued, this change will be postponed until 1200 UTC
on the next non-Critical Weather Day.
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.weather.gov/media/notification/pdf_2023_24/scn24-99_add_saus99_to_sbn_aaa.pdf__;!!Mak6IKo!K44CJVSMFQBBR4h9RLswmLpN1JShZZJLM-zvWlrCQT26pq7B-6JV6h9ZIAqtSvktkgbOL-pBQRZTgA9LCC8p$
So far, I have observed 265 SAUS99 products and 114 SPUS99 products cross the
IDD since about 15 Z
daryl
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