Re: [netcdfgroup] Using NetCDF with OPeNDAP on MacOS Sierra (homebrew- and netCDF-dependant software)

  • To: "Capehart, William J" <William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [netcdfgroup] Using NetCDF with OPeNDAP on MacOS Sierra (homebrew- and netCDF-dependant software)
  • From: Larry Baker <baker@xxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 23:10:37 -0700
See https://github.com/Unidata/netcdf-c/issues/122 
<https://github.com/Unidata/netcdf-c/issues/122> around July 10, 2015 for a 
similar/the same bug?  My previous inference about strcmp() being the culprit 
is not quite right.  The failing code in the thread I found (below) is just 
before the strcmp() call.  Looks like the same problem to me.  The cause at 
that time was "c" had a value of 67, while the nameindices[] array was declared 
[26].

> doutriaux1@maryam:[build]:[10587]> lldb  
> ~/build//install/Externals/bin/ncdump 
> http://test.opendap.org/opendap/hyrax/netcdf/examples/ECMWF_ERA-40_subset.nc
> (lldb) target create "/Users/doutriaux1/build//install/Externals/bin/ncdump"
> Current executable set to 
> '/Users/doutriaux1/build//install/Externals/bin/ncdump' (x86_64).
> (lldb) settings set -- target.run-args  
> "http://test.opendap.org/opendap/hyrax/netcdf/examples/ECMWF_ERA-40_subset.nc";
> (lldb) r
> Process 45302 launched: 
> '/Users/doutriaux1/build//install/Externals/bin/ncdump' (x86_64)
> Process 45302 stopped
> * thread #1: tid = 0xebf1, 0x00000001000b09c7 
> libnetcdf.7.dylib`occurlflagbyname(name=0x0000000100186749) + 327 at 
> occurlflags.c:301, queue = 'com.apple.main-thread', stop reason = 
> EXC_BAD_ACCESS (code=1, address=0x2)
>     frame #0: 0x00000001000b09c7 
> libnetcdf.7.dylib`occurlflagbyname(name=0x0000000100186749) + 327 at 
> occurlflags.c:301
>    298  
>    299      if(nameindices[c] == NULL)
>    300      return NULL; /* no possible match */
> -> 301      for(f=nameindices[c];f->name;f++) {
>    302      int cmp = strcmp(name,f->name);
>    303      if(cmp > 0) break; /* We assume sorted */
>    304      if(cmp == 0) return f;

Larry Baker
US Geological Survey
650-329-5608
baker@xxxxxxxx




> On May 3, 2017, at 10:57 PM, Larry Baker <baker@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Looks to me like an illegal memory access in a strcmp() inside 
> libnetcdf.11.dylib.  The "occurlflagbyname()" is the failing function inside 
> libnetcdf?
> 
> Larry Baker
> US Geological Survey
> 650-329-5608
> baker@xxxxxxxx <mailto:baker@xxxxxxxx>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 3, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Capehart, William J <William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx 
>> <mailto:William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> 
>> OK.  I am not familiar with how to use this but here is the output that I 
>> have for lldb usng …
>>  
>> lldb --debug  /usr/local/bin/ncdump  
>> http://test.opendap.org/opendap/data/nc/3fnoc.nc 
>> <http://test.opendap.org/opendap/data/nc/3fnoc.nc>
>>  
>> https://gist.github.com/wjcapehart/8cc8068a6b6951ee98a2a48dbae02520 
>> <https://gist.github.com/wjcapehart/8cc8068a6b6951ee98a2a48dbae02520>
>>  
>> And for my output for the fortran program that I wrote.
>>  
>> https://gist.github.com/9a46b7750bc5a9c3ebfdf1916941f490 
>> <https://gist.github.com/9a46b7750bc5a9c3ebfdf1916941f490>
>>  
>>  
>> For the command
>>  
>> % otool -L /usr/local/bin/ncdump 
>> http://test.opendap.org/opendap/data/nc/3fnoc.nc 
>> <http://test.opendap.org/opendap/data/nc/3fnoc.nc>
>> /usr/local/bin/ncdump:
>>                 @rpath/libnetcdf.11.dylib (compatibility version 11.0.0, 
>> current version 11.4.0)
>>                 /usr/local/opt/hdf5/lib/libhdf5_hl.100.dylib (compatibility 
>> version 101.0.0, current version 101.0.0)
>>                 /usr/local/opt/hdf5/lib/libhdf5.100.dylib (compatibility 
>> version 101.0.0, current version 101.1.0)
>>                 /usr/local/opt/szip/lib/libsz.2.dylib (compatibility version 
>> 3.0.0, current version 3.0.0)
>>                 /usr/local/lib/libz.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, 
>> current version 1.2.8)
>>                 /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, 
>> current version 1238.50.2)
>>                 /usr/lib/libcurl.4.dylib (compatibility version 7.0.0, 
>> current version 9.0.0)
>> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/objdump:
>>  'http://test.opendap.org/opendap/data/nc/3fnoc.nc': 
>> <http://test.opendap.org/opendap/data/nc/3fnoc.nc':> No such file or 
>> directory
>>  
>>  
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> Bill Capehart <William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx 
>> <mailto:William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> Atmospheric and Environmental Sciences Program Coordinator
>> Civil and Environmental Engineering
>> 201 Mineral Industries Building
>> South Dakota School of Mines and Technology
>> 501 East St Joseph Street
>> Rapid City, SD 57701-3995
>> Ph: +1-605-394-1994   Mobile: +1-605-484-4692
>>  
>> From: <netcdfgroup-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> <mailto:netcdfgroup-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> on behalf of Larry Baker 
>> <baker@xxxxxxxx <mailto:baker@xxxxxxxx>>
>> Date: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 16:45 MDT
>> To: "dmh@xxxxxxxx <mailto:dmh@xxxxxxxx>" <dmh@xxxxxxxx <mailto:dmh@xxxxxxxx>>
>> Cc: "netcdfgroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:netcdfgroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>" 
>> <netcdfgroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:netcdfgroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> Subject: Re: [netcdfgroup] Using NetCDF with OPeNDAP on MacOS Sierra 
>> (homebrew- and netCDF-dependant software)
>>  
>> Good idea: lldb 
>>  
>> Larry Baker
>> US Geological Survey
>> 650-329-5608
>> baker@xxxxxxxx <mailto:baker@xxxxxxxx>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>> On 3 May 2017, at 3:35:19 PM, dmh@xxxxxxxx <mailto:dmh@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Is there a osx equivalent of gdb? If so, you could
>>> probably run the ncdump command using that debugger
>>> and it will probably catch the seg fault. This would
>>> allow some idea of where the failure is occurring.
>>> =Dennis Heimbigner
>>> Unidata
>>> 
>>> On 5/3/2017 4:25 PM, Capehart, William J wrote:
>>> 
>>>> To be desperate ;-P is there a way to test things with just the libcurl to 
>>>> see where the problem is?   I am assuming that most people are getting 
>>>> satisfaction with the resident version with Sierra.  I'm really on my last 
>>>> leg here.  I'm not even getting core files with my seg faults on ncdump or 
>>>> my simple Fortran program inbuilt to test it...  both run just fine on 
>>>> Centos .
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 3, 2017, at 15:04, "dmh@xxxxxxxx <mailto:dmh@xxxxxxxx>" 
>>>>> <dmh@xxxxxxxx <mailto:dmh@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> To be pedantic, ncdump (via the netcdf-c library) uses libcurl.
>>>>> =Dennis Heimbigner
>>>>> Unidata
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/3/2017 2:31 PM, Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal wrote:
>>>>>> Hmm - I may be wrong but i thought the ncdump for a remote file just 
>>>>>> uses curl to get  the .das and .dds and forms the .cdl response from 
>>>>>> those.  Have you tried a different server?
>>>>>> Say,
>>>>>> ncdump -h 
>>>>>> http://coastwatch.pfeg.noaa.gov/erddap/griddap/jplAquariusSSSMonthlyV4 
>>>>>> <http://coastwatch.pfeg.noaa.gov/erddap/griddap/jplAquariusSSSMonthlyV4>
>>>>>> -Roy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 3, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Capehart, William J 
>>>>>>> <William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Roy for the curl I get the followingf
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> % curl -v http://test.opendap.org/opendap/data/nc/3fnoc.nc.das 
>>>>>>> <http://test.opendap.org/opendap/data/nc/3fnoc.nc.das>
>>>>>>> *   Trying 52.44.0.41...
>>>>>>> * TCP_NODELAY set
>>>>>>> * Connected to test.opendap.org <http://test.opendap.org/> (52.44.0.41) 
>>>>>>> port 80 (#0)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> GET /opendap/data/nc/3fnoc.nc.das HTTP/1.1
>>>>>>>> Host: test.opendap.org <http://test.opendap.org/>
>>>>>>>> User-Agent: curl/7.51.0
>>>>>>>> Accept: */*
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> < HTTP/1.1 200 OK
>>>>>>> < Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 20:22:21 GMT
>>>>>>> < X-FRAME-OPTIONS: DENY
>>>>>>> < Last-Modified: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:32:26 GMT
>>>>>>> < Set-Cookie: JSESSIONID=63E4296077ED5DBE9CFE2C49B169D4ED; 
>>>>>>> Path=/opendap; HttpOnly
>>>>>>> < XDODS-Server: dods/3.2
>>>>>>> < XOPeNDAP-Server: bes/3.17.4, csv_handler/1.1.6, 
>>>>>>> dap-server/ascii/4.1.5, dap-server/usage/4.2.6, dap-server/www/4.1.5, 
>>>>>>> dapreader_module/0.0.1, fileout_gdal/0.10.1, fileout_json/1.0.6, 
>>>>>>> fileout_netcdf/1.4.3, fits_handler/1.0.18, freeform_handler/3.9.6, 
>>>>>>> functions/1.1.0, gateway_module/1.1.9, gdal_handler/1.0.7, 
>>>>>>> hdf4_handler/3.12.3, hdf5_handler/2.3.5, libdap/3.18.3, 
>>>>>>> ncml_moddule/1.4.4, netcdf_handler/3.11.6, w10n_handler/1.0.6, 
>>>>>>> xml_data_handler/1.1.2
>>>>>>> < X-DAP: 3.2
>>>>>>> < Content-Description: dods_das
>>>>>>> < Content-Type: text/plain
>>>>>>> < Connection: close
>>>>>>> < Transfer-Encoding: chunked
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>> Attributes {
>>>>>>>    u {
>>>>>>>        String units "meter per second";
>>>>>>>        String long_name "Vector wind eastward component";
>>>>>>>        String missing_value "-32767";
>>>>>>>        String scale_factor "0.005";
>>>>>>>    }
>>>>>>>    v {
>>>>>>>        String units "meter per second";
>>>>>>>        String long_name "Vector wind northward component";
>>>>>>>        String missing_value "-32767";
>>>>>>>        String scale_factor "0.005";
>>>>>>>    }
>>>>>>>    lat {
>>>>>>>        String units "degree North";
>>>>>>>    }
>>>>>>>    lon {
>>>>>>>        String units "degree East";
>>>>>>>    }
>>>>>>>    time {
>>>>>>>        String units "hours from base_time";
>>>>>>>    }
>>>>>>>    NC_GLOBAL {
>>>>>>>        String base_time "88-245-00:00:00";
>>>>>>>        String title " FNOC UV wind components from 1988-245 to 
>>>>>>> 1988-247.";
>>>>>>>    }
>>>>>>>    DODS_EXTRA {
>>>>>>>        String Unlimited_Dimension "time_a";
>>>>>>>    }
>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>> * Curl_http_done: called premature == 0
>>>>>>> * Closing connection 0
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Bill Capehart <William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>>> <mailto:William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>> Atmospheric and Environmental Sciences Program Coordinator
>>>>>>> Civil and Environmental Engineering
>>>>>>> 201 Mineral Industries Building
>>>>>>> South Dakota School of Mines and Technology
>>>>>>> 501 East St Joseph Street
>>>>>>> Rapid City, SD 57701-3995
>>>>>>> Ph: +1-605-394-1994   Mobile: +1-605-484-4692
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5/3/17, 14:19 MDT, "Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal" 
>>>>>>> <roy.mendelssohn@xxxxxxxx <mailto:roy.mendelssohn@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    More specifically,  what do you get when you give:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    curl -v http://test.opendap.org/opendap/data/nc/3fnoc.nc.das 
>>>>>>> <http://test.opendap.org/opendap/data/nc/3fnoc.nc.das>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    -Roy
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2017, at 1:01 PM, Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal 
>>>>>>>> <roy.mendelssohn@xxxxxxxx <mailto:roy.mendelssohn@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What happens if you just do a curl to get the address but ask for the 
>>>>>>>> .das instead,  and see if your curl and access the site.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Roy
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Capehart, William J 
>>>>>>>>> <William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx>> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Did that with both fink and homebrew including compiling all from 
>>>>>>>>> source each time.  Still no traction.  :-(
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Bill Capehart <William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> Atmospheric and Environmental Sciences Program Coordinator
>>>>>>>>> Civil and Environmental Engineering
>>>>>>>>> 201 Mineral Industries Building
>>>>>>>>> South Dakota School of Mines and Technology
>>>>>>>>> 501 East St Joseph Street
>>>>>>>>> Rapid City, SD 57701-3995
>>>>>>>>> Ph: +1-605-394-1994   Mobile: +1-605-484-4692
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 5/3/17, 08:06 MDT, "Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal" 
>>>>>>>>> <roy.mendelssohn@xxxxxxxx <mailto:roy.mendelssohn@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  try installing the fink curl.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  -roy
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Capehart, William J 
>>>>>>>>>> <William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx>> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I am attaching my gist of the build
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4db828fcd4384c7883a8687147ced1f7 
>>>>>>>>>> <https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4db828fcd4384c7883a8687147ced1f7>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The C tst is 3.make
>>>>>>>>>> The C++4 Test is 7.make
>>>>>>>>>> The Fortran Test is 11.make
>>>>>>>>>> The C++ test is 16.make
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Sean: And the output of my nc-config –alll
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/733ad6330523a83cee204f9f7f34c061 
>>>>>>>>>> <https://gist.github.com/733ad6330523a83cee204f9f7f34c061>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The curl version on my mac (10.12.4) is the on-board version which I 
>>>>>>>>>> presume is what I need
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> %  curl --version
>>>>>>>>>> curl 7.51.0 (x86_64-apple-darwin16.0) libcurl/7.51.0 SecureTransport 
>>>>>>>>>> zlib/1.2.8
>>>>>>>>>> Protocols: dict file ftp ftps gopher http https imap imaps ldap 
>>>>>>>>>> ldaps pop3 pop3s rtsp smb smbs smtp smtps telnet tftp
>>>>>>>>>> Features: AsynchDNS IPv6 Largefile GSS-API Kerberos SPNEGO NTLM 
>>>>>>>>>> NTLM_WB SSL libz UnixSockets
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> And curl -Oing my the target file produces the following
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/wjcapehart/6f49640a075f47b1040c48917ebd631b 
>>>>>>>>>> <https://gist.github.com/wjcapehart/6f49640a075f47b1040c48917ebd631b>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Larry:  valgrind is reporting from homebrew that is in 
>>>>>>>>>> compatible with MacOS post El Capitan.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Roy: from the client side I’m not seeing any significant redflags in 
>>>>>>>>>> the console logs
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Really really out of clues at this point.  Thanks to everyone or 
>>>>>>>>>> their input though.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From: Sean Arms <sarms@xxxxxxxx <mailto:sarms@xxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 17:50 MDT
>>>>>>>>>> To: William Capehart <William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "netcdfgroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:netcdfgroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>" <netcdfgroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:netcdfgroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [netcdfgroup] Using NetCDF with OPeNDAP on MacOS Sierra 
>>>>>>>>>> (homebrew- and netCDF-dependant software)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Greetings Bill,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have a suspicion this has to do with the way curl was built. What 
>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> nc-config --libs
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> give you?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Capehart, William J 
>>>>>>>>>>> <William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have been having a particularly time working with NetCDF with 
>>>>>>>>>>> OPeNDAP on my Macs (right now both are on MacOS 10.12.4).  I’ve 
>>>>>>>>>>> mostly been using homebrew but this also happens with NCL 6.3 and 
>>>>>>>>>>> 6.4 as downloaded from Earth System Grid.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> When testing code using just the NetCDF fortran libraries as well 
>>>>>>>>>>> as just using ncdump I get segmentation faults when I try to access 
>>>>>>>>>>> http://test.opendap.org/opendap/data/nc/3fnoc.nc 
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://test.opendap.org/opendap/data/nc/3fnoc.nc>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Is anyone else having any luck with their MacOS Sierra NetCDF 
>>>>>>>>>>> builds and the software that leverages NetCDF?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Capehart <William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:William.Capehart@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Atmospheric and Environmental Sciences Program Coordinator
>>>>>>>>>>> Civil and Environmental Engineering
>>>>>>>>>>> 201 Mineral Industries Building
>>>>>>>>>>> South Dakota School of Mines and Technology
>>>>>>>>>>> 501 East St Joseph Street
>>>>>>>>>>> Rapid City, SD 57701-3995
>>>>>>>>>>> Ph: +1-605-394-1994   Mobile: +1-605-484-4692
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>  **********************
>>>>>>>>>  "The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the 
>>>>>>>>> U.S. Government or NOAA."
>>>>>>>>>  **********************
>>>>>>>>>  Roy Mendelssohn
>>>>>>>>>  Supervisory Operations Research Analyst
>>>>>>>>>  NOAA/NMFS
>>>>>>>>>  Environmental Research Division
>>>>>>>>>  Southwest Fisheries Science Center
>>>>>>>>>  ***Note new street address***
>>>>>>>>>  110 McAllister Way
>>>>>>>>>  Santa Cruz, CA 95060
>>>>>>>>>  Phone: (831)-420-3666
>>>>>>>>>  Fax: (831) 420-3980
>>>>>>>>>  e-mail: Roy.Mendelssohn@xxxxxxxx <mailto:Roy.Mendelssohn@xxxxxxxx> 
>>>>>>>>> www: http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/ <http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill."
>>>>>>>>>  "From those who have been given much, much will be expected"
>>>>>>>>>  "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice" 
>>>>>>>>> -MLK Jr.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> **********************
>>>>>>>> "The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the U.S. 
>>>>>>>> Government or NOAA."
>>>>>>>> **********************
>>>>>>>> Roy Mendelssohn
>>>>>>>> Supervisory Operations Research Analyst
>>>>>>>> NOAA/NMFS
>>>>>>>> Environmental Research Division
>>>>>>>> Southwest Fisheries Science Center
>>>>>>>> ***Note new street address***
>>>>>>>> 110 McAllister Way
>>>>>>>> Santa Cruz, CA 95060
>>>>>>>> Phone: (831)-420-3666
>>>>>>>> Fax: (831) 420-3980
>>>>>>>> e-mail: Roy.Mendelssohn@xxxxxxxx <mailto:Roy.Mendelssohn@xxxxxxxx> 
>>>>>>>> www: http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/ <http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill."
>>>>>>>> "From those who have been given much, much will be expected"
>>>>>>>> "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice" 
>>>>>>>> -MLK Jr.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    **********************
>>>>>>>    "The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the 
>>>>>>> U.S. Government or NOAA."
>>>>>>>    **********************
>>>>>>>    Roy Mendelssohn
>>>>>>>    Supervisory Operations Research Analyst
>>>>>>>    NOAA/NMFS
>>>>>>>    Environmental Research Division
>>>>>>>    Southwest Fisheries Science Center
>>>>>>>    ***Note new street address***
>>>>>>>    110 McAllister Way
>>>>>>>    Santa Cruz, CA 95060
>>>>>>>    Phone: (831)-420-3666
>>>>>>>    Fax: (831) 420-3980
>>>>>>>    e-mail: Roy.Mendelssohn@xxxxxxxx <mailto:Roy.Mendelssohn@xxxxxxxx> 
>>>>>>> www: http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/ <http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill."
>>>>>>>    "From those who have been given much, much will be expected"
>>>>>>>    "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice" 
>>>>>>> -MLK Jr.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> **********************
>>>>>> "The contents of this message do not reflect any position of the U.S. 
>>>>>> Government or NOAA."
>>>>>> **********************
>>>>>> Roy Mendelssohn
>>>>>> Supervisory Operations Research Analyst
>>>>>> NOAA/NMFS
>>>>>> Environmental Research Division
>>>>>> Southwest Fisheries Science Center
>>>>>> ***Note new street address***
>>>>>> 110 McAllister Way
>>>>>> Santa Cruz, CA 95060
>>>>>> Phone: (831)-420-3666
>>>>>> Fax: (831) 420-3980
>>>>>> e-mail: Roy.Mendelssohn@xxxxxxxx <mailto:Roy.Mendelssohn@xxxxxxxx> www: 
>>>>>> http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/ <http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/>
>>>>>> "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill."
>>>>>> "From those who have been given much, much will be expected"
>>>>>> "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice" 
>>>>>> -MLK Jr.
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