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--==========1644559653========= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- All, There is a change to the AVN/MRF suite which will be transparent to all users in the beginning but is the first step of a process NCEP is taking to simplify the runs of the NCEP global model. What will happen for the 12Z run on 5 March 2002 is that the AVN runs will be extended to the same length as the MRF runs (out to 384 hours). While people who directly download the GRIB files will benefit immediately to this change, it will eventually affect all people who use the MRF forecasts. As the AVN forecasts have become more popular, there is more demand on the length of the forecast. We currently run the AVN to 126 hours at 00Z and 12Z and to 84 hours at 06Z and 18Z. The weather service is going toward 4-times daily update of weather to seven days both for the NCEP service centers but also to the WFOs. Given that the MRF runs high resolution forecasts to seven days and low resolution to 16 days, the extension of the AVN beyond five days would make the MRF product duplicating the AVN for the most part (the low resolution part of the MRF uses much less resource compared to the high resolution part). We compared the AVN forecasts and the MRF forecasts for one whole year to determine if replacing the MRF forecasts with the AVN forecasts will degrade the forecast skill and we found that the skills of the two forecasts are practically the same. The only difference between the AVN forecast and the MRF forecast is that we wait 2 hours and 45 minutes for observations to arrive at NCEP before starting the AVN runs and 6 hours for the MRF. Since we start both forecasts with the best first guess from our global data assimilation system, this one-time difference in the cutoff time is not crucial to the forecast skill (the explanation would take too much space here). Furthermore, we will be issuing the 06Z AVN not long after the normal MRF forecasts are issued. The later forecasts are usually better than the earlier ones. For NCEP, once we start to issue AVN forecasts to seven days, it makes no sense to keep the MRF. It also makes little difference if we extend the AVN to 16 days in low resolution. Many people would ask if we have any skill credential to issue two week forecasts every six hours. Our strategy is to make these forecasts part of our ensemble strategy. Given that week-two forecasts can only be used as outlooks and the skill of any individual forecast is very low, we can only hope to use the ensemble strategy to provide information about the atmosphere regimes. Running all the ensemble at 00z or running them at 4 different times are just different strategies. Later this year when we get more computer resource, we plan to run the global ensemble four times daily with ten members per run (a doubling of our ensemble members). As for the MRF, we plan to stop running that in April. We will make all the files currently made by MRF from the 00Z AVN runs so users will not be inconvinienced and will have lots of time to change over to the AVN products. Finally, there has been a lot of confusions about the names AVN and MRF. By streamlining the forecasts to one single suite, we hope to reduce that confusion. We plan to rename our forecast suite from AVN to the Global Forecast System (GFS) at a later time and we will provide ample lead time before we make the change. Please feel free to write to me with any question you may have about this change. Hua-Lu Pan ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- --==========1644559653========= Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="avn/mrf merger" Received: from loft.ncep.noaa.gov (loft.ncep.noaa.gov [140.90.193.45]) by unidata.ucar.edu (UCAR/Unidata) with ESMTP id g24McOK26173 for <lmiller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:38:24 -0700 (MST) Keywords: 200203042238.g24McOK26173 Received: from noaa.gov ([140.90.192.169]) by loft.ncep.noaa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GSH07W00.MMD; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:38:20 -0500 Sender: wd23ph@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Organization: DOC/NOAA/NWS/NCEP/EMC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.35 i586) X-Accept-Language: en, zh-TW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="==========1644577048==========" --==========1644577048========= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, There is a change to the AVN/MRF suite which will be transparent to all users in the beginning but is the first step of a process NCEP is taking to simplify the runs of the NCEP global model. What will happen for the 12Z run on 5 March 2002 is that the AVN runs will be extended to the same length as the MRF runs (out to 384 hours). While people who directly download the GRIB files will benefit immediately to this change, it will eventually affect all people who use the MRF forecasts. As the AVN forecasts have become more popular, there is more demand on the length of the forecast. We currently run the AVN to 126 hours at 00Z and 12Z and to 84 hours at 06Z and 18Z. The weather service is going toward 4-times daily update of weather to seven days both for the NCEP service centers but also to the WFOs. Given that the MRF runs high resolution forecasts to seven days and low resolution to 16 days, the extension of the AVN beyond five days would make the MRF product duplicating the AVN for the most part (the low resolution part of the MRF uses much less resource compared to the high resolution part). We compared the AVN forecasts and the MRF forecasts for one whole year to determine if replacing the MRF forecasts with the AVN forecasts will degrade the forecast skill and we found that the skills of the two forecasts are practically the same. The only difference between the AVN forecast and the MRF forecast is that we wait 2 hours and 45 minutes for observations to arrive at NCEP before starting the AVN runs and 6 hours for the MRF. Since we start both forecasts with the best first guess from our global data assimilation system, this one-time difference in the cutoff time is not crucial to the forecast skill (the explanation would take too much space here). Furthermore, we will be issuing the 06Z AVN not long after the normal MRF forecasts are issued. The later forecasts are usually better than the earlier ones. For NCEP, once we start to issue AVN forecasts to seven days, it makes no sense to keep the MRF. It also makes little difference if we extend the AVN to 16 days in low resolution. Many people would ask if we have any skill credential to issue two week forecasts every six hours. Our strategy is to make these forecasts part of our ensemble strategy. Given that week-two forecasts can only be used as outlooks and the skill of any individual forecast is very low, we can only hope to use the ensemble strategy to provide information about the atmosphere regimes. Running all the ensemble at 00z or running them at 4 different times are just different strategies. Later this year when we get more computer resource, we plan to run the global ensemble four times daily with ten members per run (a doubling of our ensemble members). As for the MRF, we plan to stop running that in April. We will make all the files currently made by MRF from the 00Z AVN runs so users will not be inconvinienced and will have lots of time to change over to the AVN products. Finally, there has been a lot of confusions about the names AVN and MRF. By streamlining the forecasts to one single suite, we hope to reduce that confusion. We plan to rename our forecast suite from AVN to the Global Forecast System (GFS) at a later time and we will provide ample lead time before we make the change. Please feel free to write to me with any question you may have about this change. 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