Re: [thredds] Albers or LCC supported as a WMS projection on the TDS?

Hi Ethan.

I'm having a little trouble following along in this old thread. I'm trying to see if it is possible to use a North America variant of Albers in TDS 4.3. It doesn't seem like I can use the many projections listed in epsg.properties like I could in TDS 4.2, unless I'm not building the url correctly. I would like to use 42303, which is listed in epsg.properties, but it doesn't seem to be working for me. If I set the version=1.1.1 the browser says file not found (rather than a TDS xml error). If I set the version to 1.3.0 I get an xml error saying 'The CRS EPSG:42303 is not supported by this server'.

Is there a way to get this projection working in TDS? Here is the entry in epsg.properties.

42303=PROJCS["NAD83 / Albers NorthAm",GEOGCS["NAD83",DATUM["North_American_Datum_1983",SPHEROID["GRS_1980",6378137,298.257222101],TOWGS84[0,0,0]],PRIMEM["Greenwich",0],UNIT["Decimal_Degree",0.0174532925199433]],PROJECTION["Albers_conic_equal_area"],PARAMETER["central_meridian",-96.0],PARAMETER["latitude_of_origin",23],PARAMETER["standard_parallel_1",29.5],PARAMETER["standard_parallel_2",45.5],PARAMETER["false_easting",0],PARAMETER["false_northing",0],UNIT["Meter",1],AUTHORITY["EPSG","42303"]]

Thanks

On 10/17/2012 03:13 PM, Ethan Davis wrote:
Ack! Sorry about that. I'm always stumbling over the various types of
EPSG codes.

Yes, the Albers and LLC EPSG codes you gave are for particular types of
projections, in EPSG aka "coordinate operations methods". From which can
be built particular "coordinate operations" (which I assume have
specific parameter values though I'm having trouble finding them in the
database). And from there, the coordinate reference systems.

My understanding is that the epsg.properties file (in epsg-wkt.jar) is
used in TDS 4.2 but not in TDS 4.3 (GeoToolkit 3.04 vs 3.17). The one in
TDS 4.3 should be newer and a more complete list of EPSG CRSs. So, once
you decide which EPSG CRS codes you want to use, I suspect requests for
them will work without changes in TDS 4.3 but may need the additions
Marcos mentions below. On the other hand, it appears that the
epsg.properties file in TDS 4.2 already contains a WKT for CRS 2205 and
I suspect it contains other Albers and LLC based CRSs as well.

If that all works, another fun part is figuring out for each CRS the
valid values of the bounding box corners.

Ethan


On 10/17/2012 3:24 PM, Marcos Hermida wrote:
Hi Rich,

to define either a Lambert Conformal Projection or Albers Equals Area
you need to provide a set of parameters (standards parallels, central
meridians, northing, easting...) so there are whole family of LCC and
Albers projections that you can use. Here you can see some well defined
ones, with their EPSG codes:
Albers:
http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/?search=Albers+Equal+Area&srtext=Search

LCC:
http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/?search=Lambert+Conic+Conformal+2SP&srtext=Search


If you want to use some of them all you have to do is add the OGC WKT to
the epsg database that is used by ncWMS/THREDDS. That database is the
epsg.properties file that lives in the epsg-wkt.jar and those are the
actual projections supported by the ncWMS/THREDDS.
So, for instance, if you want to add the  Lambert Conic Conformal 2SP:
NAD83 / Massachusetts Island
(http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/2250/) you need to add to the
epsg.properties this OGC WKT:
http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/2250/ogcwkt/ with its EPSG code. It
would look like something like this:

2250=PROJCS["NAD83 / Massachusetts Island
(ftUS)",GEOGCS["NAD83",DATUM["North_American_Datum_1983",SPHEROID["GRS
1980",6378137,298.257222101,AUTHORITY["EPSG","7019"]],AUTHORITY["EPSG","6269"]],PRIMEM["Greenwich",0,AUTHORITY["EPSG","8901"]],UNIT["degree",0.01745329251994328,AUTHORITY["EPSG","9122"]],AUTHORITY["EPSG","4269"]],UNIT["US
survey
foot",0.3048006096012192,AUTHORITY["EPSG","9003"]],PROJECTION["Lambert_Conformal_Conic_2SP"],PARAMETER["standard_parallel_1",41.48333333333333],PARAMETER["standard_parallel_2",41.28333333333333],PARAMETER["latitude_of_origin",41],PARAMETER["central_meridian",-70.5],PARAMETER["false_easting",1640416.667],PARAMETER["false_northing",0],AUTHORITY["EPSG","2250"],AXIS["X",EAST],AXIS["Y",NORTH]]



Cheers!


On 10/17/2012 11:53 AM, Rich Signell wrote:
Ethan,

That's great that Albers, LCC and others should work with TDS 4.3 WMS.

That means it should work on:
http://motherlode.ucar.edu:9080/thredds
which is at TDS 4.3.15.

So on that server, I can get this WMS request to work using EPSG:4326:

http://motherlode.ucar.edu:9080/thredds/wms/grib/NCEP/NAM/CONUS_12km/files/NAM_CONUS_12km_20121017_1200.grib2?LAYERS=Temperature_height_above_ground&ELEVATION=2&TIME=2012-10-17T12%3A00%3A00.000Z&TRANSPARENT=true&STYLES=boxfill%2Frainbow&CRS=EPSG%3A4326&COLORSCALERANGE=263.7%2C302.6&NUMCOLORBANDS=20&LOGSCALE=false&SERVICE=WMS&VERSION=1.1.1&REQUEST=GetMap&FORMAT=image%2Fpng&SRS=EPSG%3A4326&BBOX=-128.16154395928,13.676912081443,-76.323087918557,65.515368122164&WIDTH=256&HEIGHT=256


But I can't get anything else to work.

Can you provide a modified version of the above request that works for
Albers (EPSG:9822) or LCC (EPSG:9802)

-Rich

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Ethan Davis
<edavis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Rich,

Even if a CRS is not listed, both ncWMS and TDS WMS can handle requests
for any CRS supported by the underlying GeoToolkit library. The CRS
database in TDS 4.2 does not contain EPSG CRS 9822 or 9802. However,
they should both be available in TDS 4.3. So, if you are trying this on
a TDS 4.3, you can just give it a try.

As for the WMS GetCapabilities CRS list, it is currently not user
configurable. For TDS 4.3 it would simply be a matter of a minor code
change (adding the two EPSG numbers to a list) and then rebuilding. It
is a bit more work in TDS 4.2, but not much harder, along with adding
the EPSG number to a list, we would need a WKT for each of the new
projections. (The CRS WKT needs to be in a form the GeoToolkit can
read.)

We've kept the list to a minimum because in earlier versions we listed
all available projections and the list got quite large.

Are you using TDS 4.3? Do you need these CRS to be in the list or is
being able to request them enough?

Cheers,

Ethan

On 10/17/2012 8:17 AM, Rich Signell wrote:
TDS folks,

What would it take to get Albers or LCC supported as a projection on
the TDS WMS?

According to the WMS getCapabilities (for example:
http://motherlode.ucar.edu/thredds/wms/fmrc/NCEP/GFS/CONUS_191km/NCEP-GFS-CONUS_191km_best.ncd?service=WMS&version=1.3.0&request=GetCapabilities


the supported projections are:
<Title>Motherlode TDS</Title>
<CRS>EPSG:4326</CRS>
<CRS>CRS:84</CRS>
<CRS>EPSG:41001</CRS>
<CRS>EPSG:3857</CRS>
<CRS>EPSG:27700</CRS>
<CRS>EPSG:3408</CRS>
<CRS>EPSG:3409</CRS>
<CRS>EPSG:32661</CRS>
<CRS>EPSG:32761</CRS>

Okay, so we don't see Albers Equal Area (EPSG:9822) or Lambert
Conformal
Conic 2SP (EPSG:9802) on the list.

But  TDS WMS is based on ncWMS, and on the ncWMS FAQ at:

http://www.resc.rdg.ac.uk/trac/ncWMS/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions

it says that ncWMS "can produce images in any projection that is
supported by the GeoTools library".

And it appears that GeoTools can support both Albers and LCC:

http://docs.geotools.org/latest/javadocs/org/geotools/referencing/operation/projection/package-summary.html


So would it be straightforward (or perhaps even easy) to allow the TDS
WMS to support these?

Thanks,
Rich

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