Gary and Arlindo, > > I was wondering if there was any way in the netCDF standard to have a 2-d dim- > > ension grid, ie, N "coordinates" each of which is a lat-lon pair, and then each > > field is defined on that grid. > > Yes, I did something like this for the UWM/COADS data set (see CDL > below). The problem is that no software appear able to read it > directly. In retrospect, I believe it was a mistake, we should have > adopted something like the COARDS conventions (which I don't whether it > existed back in 1990). Actually, this idea goes back quite a way. The concept of "referential attributes" was laid out in a report from the NetCDF Users Working Group (NUWG) back in 1992. You can get this report at http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf/NUWG/draft.html Basically, referential attributes allow you to associate one or more variables with the coordinates of another variable. From the NUWG document: The referential concept is also useful in the ... problem with hybrid grids which contain a relative vertical coordinate "z". An example is where a vertical level of a grid point value may be related to pressure, in variable "p", or to the virtual potential temperature in variable "vpt". So the referential attribute can be used as follows: float u(record, z, x, y); u:z = "vpt, p"; This defines for grid value u(1,2,1,1) that the value for the "z" dimension of "u" can be found in p(1,2,1,1) or vpt(1,2,1,1). In a simpler case, where the grid is defined for set levels, we can define such referential attributes as: dimensions: z = 3; variables: float u(record,z,x,y); u:z = "levels"; float levels(z); data: levels = 1000.0, 850.0, 500.0; If you think about it a minute, you'll see that this is the same thing you want to do to specify the X and Y coordinates of a string of points. Arlindo's solution was almost there, needing only the following attribute: clm: npoint = "lon, lat" ; Now, there is, admittedly, little software out there which takes advantage of referential attributes. But at least if the concept is accepted, there is at least some basis for being able to handle it. The COARDS conventions were developed circa 1995, and the idea of referential attributes was brought up. I believe that, at the time, the philosophy was to keep things simple for the first go-round, though future enhancements might include such a concept. In fact, we plan to use it to help document information related to time averaged quantities stored as netCDF. Hope that helps! John P. Sheldon (jps@gfdl.gov) Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory/NOAA Princeton University/Forrestal Campus/Rte. 1 P.O. Box 308 Princeton, NJ, USA 08542 (609) 987-5053 office (609) 987-5063 fax