Re: [ldm-users] GRB specific information.

  • To: Stonie Cooper <cooper@xxxxxxxx>, LDM <ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [ldm-users] GRB specific information.
  • From: Pete Pokrandt <poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2025 20:23:51 +0000
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Stonie,

For the GRB satellite data feed - currently GOES East/16 products come through 
looking something like

/data/cspp-geo/GRB-R/OR_ABI-L1b-RadM1-M6C11_G16_s20250642015250_e20250642015307_c20250642015351.nc
/data/cspp-geo/GRB-R/OR_SEIS-L1b-MPSL_G16_s20250642013300_e20250642013590_c20250642014002.nc

Will this change other than changing G16 to G19 and maybe GRB-R to GRB-U (I 
think that's what G19 was..)

I know at one point there was talk of changing 'GRB-R' to 'EAST' - which was 
done for the GOES-West GRB already, like

/data/cspp-geo/WEST/OR_ABI-L1b-RadM1-M6C03_G18_s20250642015252_e20250642015309_c20250642015337.nc

Thanks for the heads-up!
Pete

Pete Pokrandt - System Engineer IV
UW-Madison Dept of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences
608-262-3086  - poker@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: ldm-users <ldm-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Stonie Cooper 
<cooper@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 1:39 PM
To: LDM <ldm-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; NOAAPORT <noaaport@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ldm-users] GRB specific information.

If you don't operate or care about GRB ground station operations, please just 
hit delete.  For those that operate a GRB ground station, here is some 
important information from Toby Hutchings with NESDIS on the upcoming roll-out 
of GOES 19 into operations:

Greetings User Community,

Broadcasting answers to frequently asked questions to the community.  Below you 
will find the latest topic of discussion.

Is there an expectation that some GRB users may need to re-point their antennas 
in connection with the G16 "nudge", and then re-point again for the transition 
to G19 GRB? If so they might like to know the specific date of the nudge.

"Short answer:  Assuming GRB users are operating an antenna 7m or smaller, they 
should not have to re-point their antennas during the G16 to G19 transition.

Longer answer:  GOES 16 is being nudged from 75.2 deg W to 75.5 deg W.

Using our HR5 antenna here at WCDAS as a reference, the difference in ground 
antenna pointing angles between these two orbit locations is as follows:

HR5 - GOES 16 (75.2 deg) = 179.50 deg AZ and 44.95 deg EL
HR5 - GOES 16 (75.5 deg) = 180.06 deg AZ and 44.85 deg EL

The difference in ground antenna pointing angles is 0.47 deg AZ and 0.1 deg EL

Assuming a GRB user is operating a 7 meter antenna, the half-beam width 
calculations of that antenna at 1.686 GHz is as follows:
0.25 deg = 0.25 dB
0.35 deg = 0.5 dB
0.5 deg = 1 dB
0.86 deg = 3 dB

Since the expected pointing angle offsets are 0.47 deg AZ and 0.1 deg EL, the 
expected downlink degradation should be between 0.5 and 1 dB.  This expected 
degradation should not cause an issue with users assuming that their antennas 
are peaked on G16 at its current location.  If they are not peaked currently, 
this move and resulting degradation could cause issues.

Additionally, any users with antennas larger than 7m will have narrower beam 
widths and thus experience a greater signal drop from this move.  For example, 
if our 16.4m HR antennas were not autotracking, we would experience a 6dB drop 
in signal from this move if we did not re-peak."

Special thanks to Matt Sullivan from our WCDAS Team for providing a detailed 
response!

-
Stonie Cooper, PhD
Software Engineer III
NSF Unidata
cooper@xxxxxxxx<mailto:cooper@xxxxxxxx>
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