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David- I agree that it would not be productive to have competing informatics Town Halls! It is probably possible to have one on a different night. Data Stewardship is the theme of next month's ESIP meeting in Santa Barbara. We'll discuss a potential Town Hall at that meeting, so join us if you can! Stewardship is a very broad theme and there is only so much that can be conveyed in an hour, so some topic focus might be helpful. -Rob ------------------------------------ Rob Raskin Group Supervisor, Science Data Engineering Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 (818) 354-4228 ________________________________________ From: David Arctur [darctur@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 20:44 To: Raskin, Rob Cc: Peter Fox; John Graybeal; Ben Domenico; Unidata GALEON; Stefano Nativi; David Maidment; Chandler Cyndy Subject: Re: [galeon] AGU ESSI session submission deadline TODAY That sounds good Rob. We've had a Data Preservation WG at OGC for a few years but it hasn't progressed much beyond reviews of the problem space and some disconnected solution approaches. But that's a significant theme in itself, goes beyond just object ID's. This could deserve it's own town hall. If you want to submit a session proposal, I can get you a co-convener. I also share John's concern about the crowding of town halls on one night. Peter-- is AGU running the town halls the same way as in 2008? Never too late... ;-) -- David Arctur +1(512)771-1434 Sent from my PDA On Jun 12, 2009, at 6:56 PM, "Raskin, Rob" <robert.g.raskin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Regarding a Fall AGU Town Hall series, several of us have discussed > a possible Town Hall on Data Preservation and Stewardship. A key > focus would be on (permanent) unique object identifiers for > datasets. There might be some creative way to combine these two > efforts. > > -Rob > > ------------------------------------ > Rob Raskin > Group Supervisor, Science Data Engineering > Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section > Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Pasadena, CA 91109 > (818) 354-4228 > > ________________________________________ > From: galeon-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [galeon- > bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Arctur > [darctur@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > ] > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 15:52 > To: Peter Fox; John Graybeal; Ben Domenico > Cc: Unidata GALEON; Stefano Nativi; David Maidment; Chandler Cyndy > Subject: Re: [galeon] AGU ESSI session submission deadline TODAY > > Ben, I've modified your text very slightly to be more obvious about > the submissions requested (maybe unnecessary, oh well). Also clicked > on numerous cosponsor disciplines in the list below the description. > > John, I was wondering about the overlap with yours as well, but think > yours will probably draw the marine folks more than ours will. > > Peter, what about the town hall? There were a lot of those last year: > http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm08/index.php/Events/TownHall > > What's involved in setting one up? Deadlines? > > Would anyone on IN19 be interested in a town hall meeting on the use > of standards in geosciences research? Or one on marine data > management? Or...? > > dka > -- > > > > > On Jun 12, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Peter Fox wrote: > > John, discussion forum: town hall is the recognized method. > You can have a BOF during lunch times but it does not get on the > program. > We do have a good email list to announce such meetings to. > Please let me know what I can do to assist. > Regards, > > ---Peter. > > > > > On 12/06/2009, at 5:34 PM, John Graybeal wrote: > >> Ben, >> >> Thanks for this. I wonder if there is any way to heighten the >> distinction between this session and IN15 (I'm one of the co-chairs >> there), copied below for info. Although the words are quite >> different a lot of the essence overlaps. Your focus is clearly more >> on standards, so that's suggestive. >> >> Of course, this sort of thing is inevitable, so it won't bother me >> much if they go in as written. >> >> By the way, we've been discussing how to create an actual discussion >> forum at AGU. So far as I know, there is no way to set up any such >> activity, short of a townhall or meeting at some other venue. I'd >> be interested in your feedback. >> >> Thanks for your thoughts, here's the IN15 item: >> >> Strategies for Improved Marine and Synergistic Data Access and >> Interoperability >> >> Mindful of the growing number of ecological research data systems, >> data management efforts and underlying ontologies, this special >> session will focus on solutions to, and strategies for, accessing >> marine and synergistic data across multiple collections, platforms, >> systems, and standards. The effective integration of data retrieved >> from distributed sources depends upon negotiated arrangements of >> science domain concepts, metadata frameworks, and community >> engagement. We will hear about arrangements of these components for >> managing field data and the lessons learned from different >> strategies. This session represents an opportunity for the marine >> and related data management communities to draw together our diverse >> data management experiences and learn from our collective research >> efforts and associated community developments. >> >> John >> >> >> On Jun 12, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Ben Domenico wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Based on valuable feedback to my earlier message, I have submitted a >>> placeholder session. I believe we can update it if needed, but I >>> want >>> to get something in before the deadline. What I submitted is >>> pretty >>> general, so please consider submitting additional sessions if you >>> think more specific topic areas are needed. I'll include my draft >>> which turns out to be session IN19 below.. >>> >>> http://submissions3.agu.org/specialsession/sessionlist.asp? >>> sectionid=6 >>> >>> Many thanks for the quick responses. >>> >>> -- Ben >>> >>> ========================= >>> Fostering Multi-disciplinary Research via Interoperable Data Systems >>> Based on International Geospatial Standards for Earth and Space >>> Sciences >>> >>> Within the general realm of the Earth sciences, research and >>> education >>> initiatives are increasingly focusing on the challenging topics and >>> the boundaries of the traditional disciplines. Stovepipe data >>> systems have been an impediment to such integrated studies in the >>> geosciences. Hence standards-based interoperability among data >>> systems greatly facilitates progress in these important >>> multi-disciplinary research fields. >>> >>> As a consequence, several groups in the Earth and space sciences are >>> implementing international open standards for discovery, access and >>> processing of geospatial information. These standards provide for >>> interoperability well tuned to the Earth and space sciences, because >>> members of the same community developed the standards. This session >>> will show some of the latest advances in implementing open standards >>> for access to sensor data, processing of the data suitable for a >>> specific decision or research context, and presentation of the >>> information to the various communities ranging from researchers, >>> policy makers and general public. Discussion by the session >>> participants will result in additional feedback to the standards >>> bodies (OGC, ISO, as well as the community standards groups in the >>> individual disciplines) to further advance the standards >>> applicability >>> to Earth and space sciences. >>> >>> =============================================================== >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:15 PM, David Arctur<darctur@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> wrote: >>>> Ben, have a look at the link George included for the EGU session >>>> details: >>>> http://www.ogcnetwork.net/node/525 >>>> >>>> The EGU session was particularly significant from the breadth of >>>> geosciences >>>> fields represented. However, I agree with your OGC+ perspective, >>>> and would >>>> like to encourage ISO, CUAHSI and other community standards groups >>>> to submit >>>> papers as well. If you've already got your title and description >>>> along the >>>> lines you just mentioned, I'd like to suggest that David M, >>>> Stefano and I >>>> co-convene this with you. >>>> >>>> How does that sound to David M and Stefano? >>>> >>>> best, >>>> dka >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 12, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Ben Domenico wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi again, >>>> >>>> The question that comes up for me is whether we want multiple >>>> standards-based interoperability sessions. My idea was to propose >>>> one session that was more or less a combination of the two >>>> descriptions I sent out in the original email of this thread. >>>> Many of >>>> the ideas that have come up in the subsequent emails sound pretty >>>> similar. (I don't recall the details of the EGU session >>>> description >>>> offhand.) >>>> >>>> In terms of what I had in mind, one possible distinction would be >>>> that >>>> what I would propose would not be confined to OGC standards but >>>> would >>>> also embrace ISO and community standards such as the CUAHSI ODM, >>>> Unidata netCDF CF, and OPeNDAP which originated in the oceans >>>> community ... and so forth. But my tendency seems to be to >>>> combine >>>> things rather than break them into parts. Bottom line for me is >>>> that, >>>> if others are going to propose a general standards-based >>>> interoperability session, that's great and I will participate in >>>> that >>>> and will not propose a separate one. >>>> >>>> Let me know. >>>> >>>> -- Ben >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Maidment, David >>>> R<maidment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> David: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would be willing to be a co-convenor of a session on the >>>>> application of >>>>> OGC standards like the one that Stefano and George organized as a >>>>> “splinter >>>>> session” in Vienna. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: David Arctur [mailto:darctur@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 1:29 PM >>>>> To: George Percivall >>>>> Cc: Ben Domenico; Maidment, David R; Stefano Nativi >>>>> Subject: Re: AGU ESSI session submission deadline TODAY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks George. I've submitted IN14 for data fusion, but would >>>>> like a >>>>> co-convener for a session like the one on standards at EGU. Would >>>>> any of >>>>> you >>>>> be interested? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> David Arctur >>>>> >>>>> +1(512)771-1434 >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my PDA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:15 PM, George Percivall >>>>> <gpercivall@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ben, all, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David Arctur will be attending AGU for OGC this year. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David is submitting two sessions propsoals: >>>>> >>>>> - Fusion session - similar to the one convened by Fox and Arctur >>>>> last >>>>> year. >>>>> >>>>> - Standards session - similar to the EGU session convened earlier >>>>> this >>>>> year >>>>> by Nativi and Percivall >>>>> >>>>> http://www.ogcnetwork.net/node/525 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> He is traveling today and may respond a bit later. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> George >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Ben Domenico wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> It turns out today is the deadline for proposing sessions for the >>>>> Fall >>>>> AGU meeting. It will be important to have at least one ESSI >>>>> (Earth >>>>> and Space Science Informatics) session along the lines of what has >>>>> been done in the past. From the last two AGU meetings, I've dug >>>>> out >>>>> two session descriptions that could serve as a model. If I don't >>>>> hear >>>>> from anyone else soon, I'll put something together along these >>>>> lines >>>>> and submit it. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm09/program/session_proposals.php >>>>> >>>>> But I encourage others to submit ESSI sessions as well. >>>>> >>>>> -- Ben >>>>> >>>>> ================================================ >>>>> Building Interoperability Across the Geosciences >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There are a number of critical stumbling blocks to overcome in >>>>> creating the geoinformatics component of the Cyberinfrastructure >>>>> for >>>>> the Sciences. These challenges include: agreement on common >>>>> standards, >>>>> vocabularies, and protocols; engagement in a vast number of >>>>> distributed data resources; practices for recognition of and >>>>> respect >>>>> of intellectual property; a simple data discovery system with >>>>> distributed and integrated catalogues; mechanisms to encourage >>>>> development of web sevice tools for analysis; and business models >>>>> for >>>>> continuing maintenance and evolution of information. This session >>>>> will >>>>> showcase the national and international initiatives and >>>>> partnerships >>>>> that are successfully overcoming these challenges and starting to >>>>> achieve interoperability across geoscience domains. These efforts >>>>> include organized systems and networks such as the Geosciences >>>>> Information Network,OneGeology, GeoSciNet,and the National >>>>> Geoinformatics System, as well as use of standards such as >>>>> GeoSciML, >>>>> WaterML, OGC and a number of others. Presentations will discuss >>>>> progress to date, philosophies, and solutions to problems in >>>>> informatics and building interoperability. Examples will include >>>>> the >>>>> kinds of dynamic and powerful science capabilities that can be >>>>> realized. >>>>> >>>>> Standards-Based Interoperability Among Tools and Data Services in >>>>> the >>>>> Earth Sciences >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Topics for this session include development of interoperable data >>>>> access, analysis and display systems based on evolving >>>>> international >>>>> standards. These are embodied by a variety of efforts >>>>> including: the >>>>> specifications of the Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC) and ISO and >>>>> community standards such as OPeNDAP, the netCDF Climate and >>>>> Forecast >>>>> Conventions, the standards adoption processes at NASA and NOAA, >>>>> and >>>>> the Observations Data Model of the hydrology community. Examples >>>>> of >>>>> concerted efforts to develop demonstrations of these >>>>> interoperability >>>>> technologies include: Geo-interface to Atmosphere, Land, >>>>> Environment, >>>>> Ocean; netCDF (GALEON); the Ocean Sciences Interoperability >>>>> Experiment; and GEOSS Web Services Network (GWS). These >>>>> initiatives >>>>> are facilitating standards-based access to multi-dimensional Fluid >>>>> Earth Science (mainly the atmospheric and ocean sciences) >>>>> datasets by >>>>> employing and influencing the evolution of the emerging standards >>>>> such >>>>> as Web Coverage Service (WCS), Web Feature Service (WFS), Catalog >>>>> Services for the Web (CS-W), and the Sensor Web Enablement (SWE) >>>>> suite >>>>> which includes the Sensor Observation Service (SOS). >>>>> Presentations and >>>>> demonstrations for this session are encouraged for >>>>> interoperability >>>>> efforts in addition to those mentioned here. If possible, there >>>>> will >>>>> be a special electronic poster area set up for live, online >>>>> demonstrations of these interoperability technologies. >>>>> >>>>> ================================================ >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:01 PM, David Maidment<maidment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ben: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We should definitely do a session at Fall AGU on “Data >>>>> Interoperability in >>>>> >>>>> the Geosciences using OGC Standards”. I went to several >>>>> sessions on >>>>> >>>>> informatics at EGU Vienna and there was a lot of interesting stuff >>>>> presented >>>>> >>>>> but the most interesting session was one that was not at first in >>>>> the >>>>> formal >>>>> >>>>> program – a “splinter session” that Stefano and George Per >>>>> civall >>>>> of OGC >>>>> >>>>> organized informally that had a series of presentations about use >>>>> of OGC >>>>> >>>>> standards in various geosciences domains. The difference >>>>> between this >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> the other informatics sessions was the session had an >>>>> intellectual spine >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> a consistent methodology while what I heard in other sessions >>>>> was a >>>>> >>>>> collection of neat stuff without a lot of common patterns. I have >>>>> to say, >>>>> >>>>> though, that netCDF and THREDDS is a common pattern that is >>>>> starting to >>>>> >>>>> emerge here in Europe. I was VERY impressed by the work >>>>> presented by Jon >>>>> >>>>> Blower of the Reading e-Science Center about the use of THREDDS >>>>> by the UK >>>>> >>>>> Met Office. Sounds like you have a great engagement with them. >>>>> I am in >>>>> >>>>> Geneva with Ilya Zaslavsky now and will meet to today with people >>>>> from the >>>>> >>>>> WMO about the OGC/WMO working group in hydrology. It’s a meet >>>>> and greet >>>>> >>>>> session to get to know one another. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: bendomenico@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:bendomenico@xxxxxxxxx] On >>>>> Behalf Of >>>>> Ben >>>>> >>>>> Domenico >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:01 PM >>>>> >>>>> To: David Maidment >>>>> >>>>> Cc: Stefano Nativi; George Percivall >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: Digital Earth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi David, Stefano and George, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm pleased that the EGU sessions have gone well. A month or two >>>>> ago I >>>>> >>>>> contacted the AGU about publishing ESSI presentations in an >>>>> electronic >>>>> form. >>>>> >>>>> There was interest and a few questions from their electronic >>>>> journals >>>>> >>>>> person. But I have not heard back from them since I answered >>>>> their >>>>> >>>>> questions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is a good reminder to me to pester them about it once more. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wish I were there. Because the Europeans are so committed to >>>>> standards, >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> EGU is a great meeting for such discussions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Ben >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:12 AM, David Maidment <maidment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stefano: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Your issue of Digital Earth is cool. It would be good to do >>>>> something >>>>> >>>>> similar from this meeting. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your leadership of EGU-ESSI. I was very enlightened >>>>> by our >>>>> >>>>> session on OGC services yesterday. We should do something similar >>>>> for AGU >>>>> in >>>>> >>>>> San Francisco in December. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I agree that OGC standards are the way to go to achieve >>>>> interoperability >>>>> in >>>>> >>>>> the GeoSciences. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David R. 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