Re: [galeon] AGU ESSI session submission deadline TODAY

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From your experience with previous Data Stewardship and similar discussions, can any of you envision a good way to set up the discussion so that it leads to a relatively inclusive/integrated/ universal set of follow-on activities? It would be nice to go beyond informal discussions.
We have (a) lots of fairly tricky technical challenges and (b) a lot of partially overlapping communites working on these issues (OGC, W3C, ESIP, Unidata, Dublin Core, MMI, TDWG, Science/Creative Commons, just to name a few). Maybe we could get a fair number of these groups to agree on some collaborative process(es).... 

John
P.S. At an e-biosphere biodiversity informatics breakout meeting a week or two ago, I think the British Library said they had accepted contracts/collaborative agreements to create URIs for data sets. An interesting milestone along that path.... 

On Jun 12, 2009, at 10:16 PM, Raskin, Rob wrote:


David-
I agree that it would not be productive to have competing informatics Town Halls! It is probably possible to have one on a different night. Data Stewardship is the theme of next month's ESIP meeting in Santa Barbara. We'll discuss a potential Town Hall at that meeting, so join us if you can! Stewardship is a very broad theme and there is only so much that can be conveyed in an hour, so some topic focus might be helpful. 

-Rob

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Rob Raskin
Group Supervisor, Science Data Engineering
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Pasadena, CA 91109
(818) 354-4228
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From: David Arctur [darctur@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 20:44
To: Raskin, Rob
Cc: Peter Fox; John Graybeal; Ben Domenico; Unidata GALEON; Stefano Nativi; David Maidment; Chandler Cyndy 
Subject: Re: [galeon] AGU ESSI session submission deadline TODAY

That sounds good Rob. We've had a Data Preservation WG at OGC for a
few years but it hasn't progressed much beyond reviews of the problem
space and some disconnected solution approaches.

But that's a significant theme in itself, goes beyond just object
ID's. This could deserve it's own town hall. If you want to submit a
session proposal, I can get you a co-convener.

I also share John's concern about the crowding of town halls on one
night.
Peter-- is AGU running the town halls the same way as in 2008?

Never too late... ;-)
--
David Arctur
+1(512)771-1434
Sent from my PDA


On Jun 12, 2009, at 6:56 PM, "Raskin, Rob"
<robert.g.raskin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Regarding a Fall AGU Town Hall series, several of us have discussed
a possible Town Hall on Data Preservation and Stewardship.  A key
focus would be on (permanent) unique object identifiers for
datasets.  There might be some creative way to combine these two
efforts.

-Rob

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Rob Raskin
Group Supervisor, Science Data Engineering
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Pasadena, CA 91109
(818) 354-4228

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Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 15:52
To: Peter Fox; John Graybeal; Ben Domenico
Cc: Unidata GALEON; Stefano Nativi; David Maidment; Chandler Cyndy
Subject: Re: [galeon] AGU ESSI session submission deadline TODAY

Ben, I've modified your text very slightly to be more obvious about
the submissions requested (maybe unnecessary, oh well). Also clicked
on numerous cosponsor disciplines in the list below the description.

John, I was wondering about the overlap with yours as well, but think
yours will probably draw the marine folks more than ours will.

Peter, what about the town hall? There were a lot of those last year:
http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm08/index.php/Events/TownHall

What's involved in setting one up? Deadlines?

Would anyone on IN19 be interested in a town hall meeting on the use
of standards in geosciences research? Or one on marine data
management?  Or...?

dka
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On Jun 12, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Peter Fox wrote:

John, discussion forum: town hall is the recognized method.
You can have a BOF during lunch times but it does not get on the
program.
We do have a good email list to announce such meetings to.
Please let me know what I can do to assist.
Regards,

---Peter.




On 12/06/2009, at 5:34 PM, John Graybeal wrote:


Ben,

Thanks for this.  I wonder if there is any way to heighten the
distinction between this session and IN15 (I'm one of the co-chairs
there), copied below for info.  Although the words are quite
different a lot of the essence overlaps. Your focus is clearly more
on standards, so that's suggestive.

Of course, this sort of thing is inevitable, so it won't bother me
much if they go in as written.

By the way, we've been discussing how to create an actual discussion
forum at AGU.  So far as I know, there is no way to set up any such
activity, short of a townhall or meeting at some other venue.  I'd
be interested in your feedback.

Thanks for your thoughts, here's the IN15 item:

Strategies for Improved Marine and Synergistic Data Access and
Interoperability

Mindful of the growing number of ecological research data systems,
data management efforts and underlying ontologies, this special
session will focus on solutions to, and strategies for, accessing
marine and synergistic data across multiple collections, platforms,
systems, and standards. The effective integration of data retrieved
from distributed sources depends upon negotiated arrangements of
science domain concepts, metadata frameworks, and community
engagement. We will hear about arrangements of these components for
managing field data and the lessons learned from different
strategies. This session represents an opportunity for the marine
and related data management communities to draw together our diverse
data management experiences and learn from our collective research
efforts and associated community developments.

John


On Jun 12, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Ben Domenico wrote:


Hi all,
Based on valuable feedback to my earlier message, I have submitted a 
placeholder session. I believe we can update it if needed, but I
want
to get something in before the deadline.   What I submitted is
pretty
general, so please consider submitting additional sessions if you
think more specific topic areas are needed.  I'll include my draft
which turns out to be session IN19 below..

http://submissions3.agu.org/specialsession/sessionlist.asp?
sectionid=6

Many thanks for the quick responses.

-- Ben

=========================
Fostering Multi-disciplinary Research via Interoperable Data Systems 
Based on International Geospatial Standards for Earth and Space
Sciences

Within the general realm of the Earth sciences, research and
education
initiatives are increasingly focusing on the challenging topics and
the boundaries of the traditional disciplines.   Stovepipe data
systems have been an impediment to such integrated studies in the
geosciences.  Hence standards-based interoperability among data
systems greatly facilitates progress in these important
multi-disciplinary research fields.
As a consequence, several groups in the Earth and space sciences are 
implementing international open standards for discovery, access and
processing of geospatial information.   These standards provide for
interoperability well tuned to the Earth and space sciences, because members of the same community developed the standards. This session will show some of the latest advances in implementing open standards 
for access to sensor data, processing of the data suitable for a
specific decision or research context, and presentation of the
information to the various communities ranging from researchers,
policy makers and general public.  Discussion by the session
participants will result in additional feedback to the standards
bodies (OGC, ISO, as well as the community standards groups in the
individual disciplines) to further advance the standards
applicability
to Earth and space sciences.

===============================================================

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:15 PM, David Arctur<darctur@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

wrote:
Ben, have a look at the link George included for the EGU session
details:
http://www.ogcnetwork.net/node/525

The EGU session was particularly significant from the breadth of
geosciences
fields represented. However, I agree with your OGC+ perspective,
and would
like to encourage ISO, CUAHSI and other community standards groups
to submit
papers as well. If you've already got your title and description
along the
lines you just mentioned, I'd like to suggest that David M,
Stefano and I
co-convene this with you.

How does that sound to David M and Stefano?

best,
dka
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On Jun 12, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Ben Domenico wrote:

Hi again,

The question that comes up for me is whether we want multiple
standards-based interoperability sessions. My idea was to propose 
one session that was more or less a combination of the two
descriptions I sent out in the original email of this thread.
Many of
the ideas that have come up in the subsequent emails sound pretty
similar.  (I don't recall the details of the EGU session
description
offhand.)

In terms of what I had in mind, one possible distinction would be
that
what I would propose would not be confined to OGC standards but
would
also embrace ISO and community standards such as the CUAHSI ODM,
Unidata netCDF CF, and OPeNDAP which originated in the oceans
community ...  and so forth.  But my tendency seems to be to
combine
things rather than break them into parts.  Bottom line for me is
that,
if others are going to propose a general standards-based
interoperability session, that's great and I will participate in
that
and will not propose a separate one.

Let me know.

-- Ben

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Maidment, David
R<maidment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


David:



I would be willing to be a co-convenor of a session on the
application of
OGC standards like the one that Stefano and George organized as a
“splinter
session” in Vienna.



David





From: David Arctur [mailto:darctur@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 1:29 PM
To: George Percivall
Cc: Ben Domenico; Maidment, David R; Stefano Nativi
Subject: Re: AGU ESSI session submission deadline TODAY



Thanks George. I've submitted IN14 for data fusion, but would
like a
co-convener for a session like the one on standards at EGU. Would
any of
you
be interested?

--

David Arctur

+1(512)771-1434

Sent from my PDA



On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:15 PM, George Percivall
<gpercivall@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ben, all,



David Arctur will be attending AGU for OGC this year.



David is submitting two sessions propsoals:

- Fusion session - similar to the one convened by Fox and Arctur
last
year.

- Standards session - similar to the EGU session convened earlier
this
year
by Nativi and Percivall

http://www.ogcnetwork.net/node/525



He is traveling today and may respond a bit later.



George













On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Ben Domenico wrote:

Hello all,

It turns out today is the deadline for proposing sessions for the
Fall
AGU meeting.  It will be important to have at least one ESSI
(Earth
and Space Science Informatics) session along the lines of what has 
been done in the past.  From the last two AGU meetings, I've dug
out
two session descriptions that could serve as a model.  If I don't
hear
from anyone else soon,  I'll put something together along these
lines
and submit it.

http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm09/program/session_proposals.php

But I encourage others to submit ESSI sessions as well.

-- Ben

================================================
Building Interoperability Across the Geosciences


There are a number of critical stumbling blocks to overcome in
creating the geoinformatics component of the Cyberinfrastructure
for
the Sciences. These challenges include: agreement on common
standards,
vocabularies, and protocols; engagement in a vast number of
distributed data resources; practices for recognition of and
respect
of intellectual property; a simple data discovery system with
distributed and integrated catalogues; mechanisms to encourage
development of web sevice tools for analysis; and business models
for
continuing maintenance and evolution of information. This session
will
showcase the national and international initiatives and
partnerships
that are successfully overcoming these challenges and starting to
achieve interoperability across geoscience domains. These efforts 
include organized systems and networks such as the Geosciences
Information Network,OneGeology, GeoSciNet,and the National
Geoinformatics System, as well as use of standards such as
GeoSciML,
WaterML, OGC and a number of others. Presentations will discuss
progress to date, philosophies, and solutions to problems in
informatics and building interoperability.  Examples will include
the
kinds of dynamic and powerful science capabilities that can be
realized.

Standards-Based Interoperability Among Tools and Data Services in
the
Earth Sciences


Topics for this session include development of interoperable data
access, analysis and display systems based on evolving
international
standards.  These are embodied by a variety of efforts
including:  the
specifications of the Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC) and ISO and 
community standards such as OPeNDAP, the netCDF Climate and
Forecast
Conventions, the standards adoption processes at NASA and NOAA,
and
the Observations Data Model of the hydrology community.  Examples
of
concerted efforts to develop demonstrations of these
interoperability
technologies include:  Geo-interface to Atmosphere, Land,
Environment,
Ocean; netCDF (GALEON); the Ocean Sciences Interoperability
Experiment; and GEOSS Web Services Network (GWS).  These
initiatives
are facilitating standards-based access to multi-dimensional Fluid 
Earth Science (mainly the atmospheric and ocean sciences)
datasets by
employing and influencing the evolution of the emerging standards
such
as Web Coverage Service (WCS), Web Feature Service (WFS), Catalog
Services for the Web (CS-W), and the Sensor Web Enablement (SWE)
suite
which includes the Sensor Observation Service (SOS).
Presentations and
demonstrations for this session are encouraged for
interoperability
efforts in addition to those mentioned here.  If possible, there
will
be a special electronic poster area set up for live, online
demonstrations of these interoperability technologies.

================================================

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:01 PM, David Maidment<maidment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



wrote:

Ben:







We should definitely do a session at Fall AGU on “Data
Interoperability in

the Geosciences using OGC Standards”.   I went to several
sessions on
informatics at EGU Vienna and there was a lot of interesting stuff 
presented

but the most interesting session was one that was not at first in
the
formal

program – a “splinter session” that Stefano and George Per
civall
of OGC

organized informally that had a series of presentations about use
of OGC

standards in various geosciences domains.   The difference
between this
and

the other informatics sessions was the session had an
intellectual spine
and

a consistent methodology while what I heard in other sessions
was a

collection of neat stuff without a lot of common patterns. I have
to say,

though, that netCDF and THREDDS is a common pattern that is
starting to

emerge here in Europe.  I was VERY impressed by the work
presented by Jon

Blower of the Reading e-Science Center about the use of THREDDS
by the UK

Met Office.  Sounds like you have a great engagement with them.
I am in

Geneva with Ilya Zaslavsky now and will meet to today with people
from the

WMO about the OGC/WMO working group in hydrology.  It’s a meet
and greet

session to get to know one another.







David







From: bendomenico@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:bendomenico@xxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of
Ben

Domenico

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:01 PM

To: David Maidment

Cc: Stefano Nativi; George Percivall

Subject: Re: Digital Earth







Hi David, Stefano and George,







I'm pleased that the EGU sessions have gone well.  A month or two
ago I

contacted the AGU about publishing ESSI presentations in an
electronic
form.

There was interest and a few questions from their electronic
journals

person.  But I have not heard back from them since I answered
their

questions.







This is a good reminder to me to pester them about it once more.







Wish I were there.  Because the Europeans are so committed to
standards,
the

EGU is a great meeting for such discussions.







-- Ben



On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:12 AM, David Maidment <maidment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx




wrote:



Stefano:







Your issue of Digital Earth is cool. It would be good to do
something

similar from this meeting.







Thanks for your leadership of EGU-ESSI.  I was very enlightened
by our

session on OGC services yesterday. We should do something similar
for AGU
in

San Francisco in December.







I agree that OGC standards are the way to go to achieve
interoperability
in

the GeoSciences.







David











David R. Maidment



Director, Center for Research in Water Resources



University of Texas



Austin Tx 78712



Tel: (512) 471-0065



Email: maidment@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx













George Percivall
Open Geospatial Consortium
http://www.opengeospatial.org/
E-mail: percivall@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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